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Author: kps
Date: 10-01-03 12:02
Just wanted to make the subject as it should have been in the original post ...
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Author: Kulbir Singh
Date: 10-01-03 13:37
I concur with KPS that this was a Pakhand Karaj from Gurmat Maryada point of view.
The only remarkable thing is that there was no protest or uproar in the Hindu community over this Hindu star getting married according to Sikh maryada. What should we call this? Their (Hindu) tolerance or is there a deep conspiracy behind the Hindu silence? Maybe they just don’t care.
If a Sikh had done something similar to this i.e. getting married according to Vedic or Muslim way, there would have been a lot of criticism of that person. In my personal opinion, this shows that our Quom (community) is alive.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
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Author: kps
Date: 10-01-03 14:20
Vaaheguroo jee kaa khaalsaa
Vaaheguroo jee kee fatheh
I think we should send Bibi Karisma Kapoor jee letters encouraging her now that she has done anand karaj in Guru's hajooree the next step is khande-ke-pahul along with her husband!!!!!!!!!!
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Author: Surrey Singh
Date: 10-01-03 16:00
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
Please do not use the words you have used : Pa----nd Karaj. how could you call an Anand Karaj that was done in Guru Ji's presence, and where Gurbani was recited phakand? You need to be careful of the words you use.
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
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Author: Singh
Date: 10-01-03 16:07
What a great idea by KPS!!
It would be great if this new couple took amrit and adopted the Keski rehit too.
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Author: kps
Date: 10-01-03 16:19
Dear respected brother Surrey Singh jee
My intent was not to ridicule the Anand Karaj - but the Anand Karaj is only such a ceremony when it is two Gursikhs being wedded in commitment to the Guru.
Karisma Kapoor wore thousands of dollars worth of jewelry and peircings, had her hair cut and shaved in several ways, and celebrated her wedding with several hundred varieties of alcoholic beverages. This ceremony was clearly a pakhand.
Even Guru Sahib has called the writings of fake-Gurus as "kachee banee" - just because the term "banee" is used does not mean Guru sahib is being offensive to the term "sachee banee."
Therefore in my humble opinion those weddings that are not conducted with love for the Guru and an honest attempt to follow Guru's rehit are a pakhand.
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Author: laughable.
Date: 10-01-03 16:42
Karsima Kapoor wearing a keski?
HAAAAAAAHAHAHA!
you'll never see it happen.
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Author: singh2
Date: 10-01-03 21:40
my question is why did a non sikh couple go for a sikh wedding? a while back i remember news about some pop star (maybe mick jagger -not sure) getting married by hindu ceremony in india. back in uk he wanted to divorce her and then claimed the ceremony was not officially recognised by uk law so he would not have to pay a settlement!
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Author: s.k.
Date: 10-02-03 02:21
whoaa!! im not a big fan of hinduism but barely month back we had an article where a musalmaan man married a girl in a gurdwara there was no uproar about that. The kind of qoutes we kept gettin were " they aint sikh cos she aint amritdharis who cares?". now its a film star yes although it looks like a tamasha how else was she supposed to marry the guy whos from a sikh family?
i doubt being the man hes gonna agree to get married hindu way.
if we dont like the fact a non sikh representing manmut media marrying according to anand karaj then lets make a start on our own doorstep where non amritdhari bought up sikhs marry in gurdwaras thats just as bad, and those who get married in front of sggs then go and have a party nex door hall where meat shraaab dancing is done.
but then theres a counter argument that guru sahib blesses all anyway.
but rather than just look at these fancy names we gotto look deeper into the concepts.
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Author: *sigh*
Date: 10-02-03 12:11
umm
s.k.
the guy wasn't from a sikh family
it was her decision
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Author: Singh
Date: 10-02-03 12:20
Raunik Singh the grandfather of the bridegroom was a Sikh. He started the famous Apollo Tires company in India. Sanjay does not look like a Sikh.
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Author: ?
Date: 10-03-03 06:59
wats more important?
a) a hindi film star gettin married with anand karaj?
b) non amritdhari punjabis getting married with anand karaj on one side of the gurdwara premises, then run off to the joining building on the other side of the gurdwara to enjoy intoxication, and flesh consumption?
which do you see as more important? and why?
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Author: moorakh keera kookar paapi
Date: 10-05-03 07:48
many sikhs go to mandirs bow their heads to idols, do haavan ( badal classic example), do hindu rituals like rakri lohri etc i dont see any uproar from the sikh community.
all this talk about " sinsister " " plot" lets look at this way, sikhi makes more sense than any religion. imagine your a hindu, what identitty have you got? your in a religion full of a billion people, most of whome do not identify with you, go to gujerat, they call you sardar because they think all panjabis are sardars, go to bengal they speak alien language to you, worship differently, go to south india they have their own set of gods and language. which demigod do i follow? i got a choice out of 33 million? which book do i follow? ramayan? gita veds upanishads purans???? what kind of hinduism do i follow? vaishnu, shaiva, arya god knows wat else? and their all contradicting each other. which version fo gita shall i read? yep its got 125 000 different versions. hobsons choice here! confusion, no identity, no lineage, no nothing. define religion does hinduism get defined as a religion?? theres 43 distinct versions of hinduism, thats more like saying im european because i am a part of european comunity than say i am english or british.
sikhi = One Script, One God, One Belief, Untiy of mankind with a recorded reliable history. i know enuff hindus who do anand karaj, god knows what the reason is it mite not be what i stated, but it mite not be a plot either.
sometimes these consipracy theories get the better of us. people do not always stick to fixed set of rules or conform. why do i see some elderly muslims in my local gurdwara?? at first i was shocked thinking theres a conspiracy behind it, what with all the tension between sikh and muslim youths over girls and and gangs. but one of the guys built the library all by himself as seva because thats the message given to his heart over 30 years ago. another muslim comes does matta tek and walks out, never socialises with anyone just folds his hands, puts his head down peacefully and walks out. maybe karisma kappor has her own ideas maybe it was a gimmick, maybe her in laws wanted guru ji there, maybe they have a sikh lineage, maybe they dont who knows? one thing certain we cant always be sure what the reasons are behind what people do.
its so easy to judge, i myself made that mistake many times.
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Author: aujla
Date: 10-07-03 12:47
whats wrong with a hindu marrying a sikh with guru granth sahib if gorey and goris get married to sikhs in gurdwaras with guru sahib ji?
why we picking and choosing?? for those who condemn it if you have real anakh inside you then go and stop it instead of sitting behind the safety of a pc.
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Author: RS
Date: 10-07-03 13:14
"whats wrong with a hindu marrying a sikh with guru granth sahib if gorey and goris get married to sikhs in gurdwaras with guru sahib ji?"
Whoever said that that was okay either? Or that moslems marrying 'sikhs' in gurdvaras or any non-sikh turning the lavaan into some meaningless show is okay? The reason this particular case is getting mentioned is because it was on the news and was made into a big deal by the media. So why wouldn't sikhs discuss it?
Someone asked if it's worse for some famous hindu getting lavaan or some unknowns. They're both not right, but the actors getting married gets a lot more exposure from the media, so it's going to get talked about more by the sikh community. That should be common sense.
And those who are condemning it are actually doing something about it. They're talking about it and hopefully increasing awareness about this issue. This is a disease that isn't going to be stopped overnight, it will require lots of parchaar. Simply going and stopping one wedding by force wouldn't cure the overall problem. And talking about it from 'behind the safety of a pc' is better than just sitting blindly and pretending it's not happening.
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Author: h
Date: 10-07-03 13:41
i doubt anyone but a few bored net people are bothered by a hindu marrying with guru granth sahib there when every1 else under the sun does it anyway.
we dont have the guts to stop it directly but we can talk about it with the hope every1 will listen. wonders may occur!
it would be interesting to note what the akhal takhat says about this issue. does the rehet maryada forbid a non sikh marrying with guru granth sahib present? shud the akhal takhat issue a decleration on this topic if not?
or shud non amritdharis have access to be blessed with guru jis bir present? i am kinda against the idea of this kapoor woman having guru ji at her wedding because of her status what she does baring her legs off, but i dont see any harm if at least she was trying to practice dharm as much as possible and felt respect to guru ji and lived by some standards than promote western ganthgi.
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Author: Mkhalsa
Date: 10-09-03 01:17
from my understanding, non-sikhs (non-amritdharis) were not allowed to perform anand karaj until recently.. and now look at what it has become? these marriages at gurudwaras probably raise millions of dollars for gurudwaras around the world. its just a business now..
i guess everyone has their price...
but guru sahib shouldnt :(
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Author: Gurpreet
Date: 10-09-03 03:01
Yeah exactly H! There is so much disrespect to Guru Ji going on in weddings these days, ie. the photographers who stand with their back towards Maharaj, it's disguisting! The family members chat and giggle as if they are not even in the presence of our GURU!!
Gurfateh
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Author: don valley parkway
Date: 10-11-03 16:32
a person wants to get married infront of the guru, then who are we to stop them. Hes EVERYONES guru, like it or not. we cant stop anyone. who knows, that mite turn their thinking around. its all about whats inside somones head.
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Author: Akj Singh
Date: 10-13-03 05:31
the marriage wasnt in gurudwara but was at Kapoors' ancestral house.
thats not sikh maryada.... action should be taken on it.......sikh marriage can only be held in guru ghar....... they had tandoori kebabs after marriage acoording to news on msn :-(
thats bad
akal takht should be written a letter
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Author: Seva singh
Date: 10-13-03 12:20
Waheguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji ki fateh!
I think that Guru sahib intended when he wrote the lavan's in our SGGS for two sikhs to be joined at one soul. I think that if miss kapoor really wanted to be sikh that she would not just get married in a sikh guru-da-wara, but she should have followed the principles of sikhi when she got married. It may be decent publicity for the sikhs, but I think right now we need positive "real" publicity. Look after 9/11! The media has not once bloodied shown the sikh struggle that we have encountered because of this.
Fateh!
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