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Author: singh
Date: 02-01-06 01:31
I know of this so called amritdhari family who are into jadu tuna and unfortunately they are related to me what is your advice sangat ji?
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Author: Singh
Date: 02-01-06 06:21
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Personally I think people like that should be shot and no questions asked. Most people reading my response will probably think its harsh and out of order, but I too went through crap because of so called AmritDhari's who were in to Jaadu Tuna.
I think its so sickening that such people walk free presenting to the outside world a face of decite. Their appearance shows an on looker that they are AmritDhari Singh Singhnees, but on the inside they are far worse then any other person as they live double lives.
Over and Over again so many people have given examples of such people but it seems that each time it is brushed under the carpet and forgotten about.
In my opinion when we find out that someone who is supposed to be AmritDhari is also into Jaadu Tuna and visiting Paada'a Pundits they should be disclosed in the amidst of the Saadh Sangat in Guru Ji'S Darbar that is the only way to deal with this crap.
Veer Ji I strongly suggest that you stay well away from these people as I have been on the recieving end of Jaadu Tuna and regardless of what people may say these things can turn your life into a living misery.
I'm not ashamed to say this but when I was having to deal with this Jaadu Tuna crap not a single Singh or Singhnee come forward to help and yet Sikhi is meant to be about Brotherhood.
But whoever takes the shelter of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji can never come to harm. Reciting continuous Naam Baani has now improved my situation and circumstances I owe everything to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.
I really wish the Sikh community as a whole come together to tackle problems like this, its not until you experience it personally that you realise the damage these Paada's Pundits or Baba's can do.
Bhul Chuk Maaf
Guru Fateh Parvaan
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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Author: Jarnail Singh Gyani "Arshi"
Date: 02-01-06 06:21
"RUN AWAY..as far as possible".....( not necessarily physically dude becasue as you said they are relatives..) BUT as far away from them through GURBANI...Naam japp..and Naam japp and Naam Japp.
I know many "such AMRITDHAREES" and "granthis" even..who are into this...the situation in malaysia is not conducive to become a "local Sant/Baba"..so they take this second way..as it is lucarative..and you get a lot of female "fans"....a former SGPC/Akal takhat maryada Granthi just got by on his granthi pay for 14 years....this "new" way of undeclared sant/babaji.amrit dean walleh....he has made a banglo house in 2 years, and 50,000 in the bank..and he told me..veer...sgpc akal takhat maryada karde kardeh mein kee khatiah ?? why dont you join me ?? Well thats the way the wheel spins...
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Author: Harcharan Singh
Date: 02-01-06 06:32
Waheguru j ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Family or no family, stay away from them. Explain the situation to your parents, I am sure they will understand.
Being around dangerous people like this (black magic) causes many problems, we are not to associate with these kind of people at all.
If not then show them this extract of the rehit maryada:
d. Not believing in caste or descent untouchabililty, Magic spells, incantation, omens, auspicious times, days and occasions, influence of stars, horoscopic dispositions, Shradh (ritual serving of food to priests for the salvation of ancestor on appointed days as per the lunar calendar), Ancestor worship, khiah (ritual serving of food to priests - Brahmins - on the lunar anniversaries of death of an ancestor) (Two words, shradh and khiah, occuring in this clause connote what appears to be the same thing - the ritual serving of food to the priests (Brahmins). The difference between the connotations of the two words is implicit in the dates on which the ritual is performed. The ritual of serving of food on the lunar anniversary of the death goes by the name khiah; whereas the ritual of serving food on the lunar date corresponding to the date of death during the period of the year designated shradhs is known as sharadh.) pind (offering of funeral barley cakes to the deceased's relatives), patal (ritual donating of food in the belief that that would satisfy the hunger of a departed soul), diva (the ceremony of keeping an oil lamp lit for 360 days after the death, in the belief that that lights the path of the deceased), ritual funeral acts. hom (lighting of ritual fire and pouring intermittently clarified butter, food grains etc. into it for propitiating gods for the fulfilment of a purpose), jag (religious ceremony involving presentation of oblations), tarpan (libation), sikha-sut (keeping a tuft of hair on the head and wearing thread), bhadan (shaving of head on the death of a parent), fasting on new or full moon or other days, wearing of frontal marks on forehead, wearing of thread, wearing of a necklace of the pieces of tulsi (A plant with medicinal properties, Bot, Ocimum sanctum.), stalk, veneration of any graves, of monuments erected to honour the memory of a deceased person or of cremation sites, idolatry and such like superstitious observances (Most, though not all, rituals and ritual or religious observances listed in this clause are hindu rituals and observances. The reason is that the old rituals and practices, continues to be observed by large numbers of Sikhs even after their conversion from their old to new faith and a large bulk of the Sikhs novices were Hindu converts. Another reason for this phenomenon was the strangle hold of the Brahmin priest on Hindus' secular and religious life which the Brahmin priests managed to maintain even on those leaving the Hindu religious fold, by the his astute mental dexterity and rare capacity for compromise. That the Sikh novitiates included a sizeable number of Muslims is shown by inclusion in this clause of the taboos as to the sanctity of graves, shirni etc.)
Sat Sri Akaal.
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Author: Jagjit Singh
Date: 02-01-06 09:52
waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji kefateh
Pyare jio, a Gursikh leaves everything and bows before his Guru and begs for Amrit. He has forsaken all for the house of his Guru. In return the Guru gives him the Amrit and Naam, which is everything.
Any person who then turns his back on his Guru and puts faith in black magic is a bemukh. Anyone who does black magic is faithless, and consumed by negativity. No one should ever do sangat of them.
Black magic can never have any impact on any Tyaar par tyaar Gursikh. Naam is above everything.
waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji kefateh
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Author: Smethwickwala
Date: 02-01-06 10:35
bhai singh ji said people like that should be shot?
should people that cut hair claim they are sikh , drink , smoke to beadbi of a kara be shot to??
i remember jarnail singh khalsa bhindrawale saying " those who cut hair and go away from sikhi but still call themshelves sikhs are better of dead to me"
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Author: M S Nijjar
Date: 02-01-06 11:20
I agree with everyone, "Singh" Jee, "Jarnail Singh Gyani" Jee, "Harcharan Singh" Jee and "Jagjit Singh" Jee...etc, you must stay away from these people.
If they are actually DOING Black magic then I have to agree with the first response post of "Singh" Jee that "Personally I think people like that should be shot and no questions asked", as these people are fools, but maybe as they are family and as a GurSikh it may be more wise to try and talk to them (if you feel you are strong enough in your Sikhi). I really do hope this is NOT the case though that they are actually involved in doing the black magic and have dropped so low.
If on the other hand black magic is being DONE to THEM (which is what I think is probably the scenario) and as a consequence they are being forced to go to FAKE "Babe" and "Syaane", then you should try to talk to them that NOTHING is greater than Sree Guroo Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj and they should only go to Maharaj Jee's Darbaar. Maybe they should do an Akhand Paaht at their house and listen to the WHOLE Paaht with proper Sharda and Prem, and give Parshada to five Singhs with full Sharda...etc.
But you have to be very careful with "Babe" and "Syaane"...etc as most of them are FAKE and some others that know their "Jadoo" will make things worse for the family in a way to get more of their hard earned money from them.
This is why at the end of the day, NO person is greater than Sree Guroo Granth Sahib Jee and no Sikh, especially Amrit Dharee, should go anywhere else. If they do, they will only come running back!
Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!
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Author: singh_uk
Date: 02-01-06 12:01
Dear 'Smethwickwala' jee,
I think Bhai Singh Ji, was talking in the context that people who engage in such activities do so to cause harm to others.
People that cut their hair, do really do it intenetions of hurting anyone else, they are just hurting themselves.
Take shelter of Maharaj Dhan sri Guru Granth Sahib jee!!
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Author: Singh
Date: 02-02-06 04:19
WJKK WJKF
Veer Smethwickwala
Please don't misunderstand me I am talking from experience. People who claim to be Singhs/Singhnees of Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and then turn to black magic need to be dealt with harshly.
The pain and suffering that is caused when going to these fake baba's and bibi's and getting them to do Jaadu Tuna can prove disastarous. I know a number of people that have lost loved one's due to this crap.
I personally believe if my mother didn't believe whole heartedly in Naam Baani and take the shelter of Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj then I would not be here. I'm Amritdhari and what I experienced I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
People who commit such acts under the diguise of Sikhi should be punished in such a way that its an example for others. I would personally set these losers on fire and ask how the pain and suffering feel. There's no question about it these people are like a plague within Sikhi.
I'm sure their will be others out their who will not agree with me, but without offending anyone I don't care because I lost my father because of this Jaadu Tuna through family memebers.
Secondly the person who turned to Jaadu Tuna to harm my family and I was also a Gursikh with the full Bana - and you expect people like them to be forgiven or shown mercy too ! I don't think so.
Bhull Chuk Maaf
Guru Fateh Parvaan
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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Author: khalsa ji
Date: 02-02-06 04:57
i agree with singh ji they need to be dealt with harsely but so do people like these bhangra artist hu sing about taking amrit in their dharmic song and then about girls in their others personally there is no difference with these jadu people and people that portray the wrong image on sikhi
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Author: M S Nijjar
Date: 02-02-06 09:47
I agree with "Singh" Jee! Also "Khalsa" Jee, the Jadoo Wale are a 10000000 times worse than the Bhangra artists (who are just misguided people with a lack of Sikhi knowledge). The Jadoo Wale want to cause harm to families and destroy peoples lives knowingly!!!
STUPID FOOLS!!!
Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!
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Author: SRM
Date: 02-02-06 11:14
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Could someone please either scan the Sikh Rehit Maryada article that Veer Harcharan Singh Ji has posted or provide a link to it on the net, as a matter of urgency
Waheguru Ji Ka Khasla Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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Author: Harcharan Singh
Date: 02-02-06 12:12
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_four.html
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Author: waheguruji
Date: 02-03-06 08:15
These so called Sikhs who keep an outer appearance of Sikhi and practices these tantric things are a disgrace.
Jatha has always been against these sort of characters and have gotten rid of them as much as they could so that people are wary of these sort of shady people.
It is a shame that these people try to get their foot into door of panthic organisations but at the end they never succed. Sooner or later the cover is blown and everone comes to know what sort of family/bunch of people they are.
So dont worry london singh the wheel of justice of Guru Sahib moves slowly but in a very calculated way. I am sure justice will be delivered to that family which causes problems for other people by their actions as Guru Sahibs Justice is eternal.
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Author: a sikh
Date: 02-03-06 20:21
wow i seriouly thought that this jadu stuff was just make believe like in faisry tales. DOES THIS MEAN IT IS TRUE?people actually do this kind of stuff. i got scared for a second, but then remember.
IF GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE, THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR, NOW OR EVER!
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Author: Waiting
Date: 08-03-07 21:28
Singh:
Would you share with which paht you did to help yourself against this jadu, and how quickly you saw results. I used to pray regularly, but that didn't stop this at all. In fact, the more i did my paht (panj bani, or Sukhmani sahib) the more dark things appeared in the house and the more violent they became. No one could help us, so out of fear I stopped praying so intensely. But if there's hope - as your story makes me think there is - I want to end this once and for all. Please help.
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Author: AkirtGhan
Date: 08-04-07 09:50
WaheguruujeekakhalsaWaheguruujeekeefatheh
It would be wise to Jap and follow GuruSahibs Hukams shabads as on Ang817 continuing to Ang818 in daas' opinion
bilaaval mehalaa 5 ||
man than prabh aaraadhheeai mil saadhh samaagai ||
oucharath gun gopaal jas dhoor thae jam bhaagai ||1||
raam naam jo jan japai anadhin sadh jaagai ||
tha(n)th ma(n)th neh johee thith chaakh n laagai ||1|| rehaao ||
kaam krodhh madh maan moh binasae anaraagai ||
aana(n)dh magan ras raam ra(n)g naanak saranaagai ||2||4||68||
(very difficult to read in transliteration)
Bilaaval, Fifth Mehla:
Worship and adore God in your mind and body; join the Company of the Holy.
Chanting the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe, the Messenger of Death runs far away. ||1||
That humble being who chants the Lord's Name, remains always awake and aware, night and day.
He is not affected by charms and spells, nor is he harmed by the evil eye. ||1||Pause||
Sexual desire, anger, the intoxication of egotism and emotional attachment are dispelled, by loving devotion.
One who enters the Lord's Sanctuary, O Nanak, remains merged in ecstasy in the subtle essence of the Lord's Love. ||2||4||68||
read in Gurbaani, and have Darshan in Lareevar form(pooran roop) if can
just sharing thoughts. Gursikh veers and bhens give daas Aseesas bhul chuk mauf
WaheguruujeekakhalsaWaheguruujeekeefateh
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Author: Harjas Kaur
Date: 08-04-07 10:25
Quote:
Would you share with which paht you did to help yourself against this jadu, and how quickly you saw results. I used to pray regularly, but that didn't stop this at all. In fact, the more i did my paht (panj bani, or Sukhmani sahib) the more dark things appeared in the house and the more violent they became. No one could help us, so out of fear I stopped praying so intensely. But if there's hope - as your story makes me think there is - I want to end this once and for all. Please help.
Veerji/bhanji,
Saying paat or reciting Gurbani alone is not enough for some things. First, I recommend that you prepare yourself to take amrit, if you are not already amritdhari. And I personally recommend you take amrit from Panj Piare who will give you Naam Abiyyas. Naam is a power and an energy which will protect you on many levels.
As to your experiences, I don't know the particulars. It could be from people doing jadoo tuna, like someone upset with the family, or someone in the family involving themselves with practices and jamdhoots. It could be from someone who died that was not a good person and is close to the family. This could be the case if the disturbances started recently.
It could be from past karmic debts. It could be the environment itself is jhooth. Many places where homes are built have a negative energy history. Someone has been killed there, someone has killed themselves there, a massacre happened nearby, etc.
Sometimes if the environment is disturbed, the spirits of the natural places are angry. This would be the case of natural catastrophe or imbalance caused by humans being destructive to nature.
So a lot of things could be the cause. And just reciting paat alone is no protection. These are energy beings, and the state of your spiritual jeevan and energy are a factor. It's obvious that these things are negative energy because they are 1. violent 2. get violent to stop your paat. 3. They are dark.
So most likely you are dealing with some kind of jamdhoots or pretas rather than bhoots. Often a bhoot will be attracted to paat because he is seeking liberation.
These things feed on fear and negative emotions. Oftentimes they will create conditions of conflict to feed on the upheaval. Recordings have been made where the voices say threatening and abusive things. Even when you don't hear the voices audibly, they influence your mind unconsciously. Many people have committed horrific crimes under these influences. They weaken you physically and spiritually. It's not at all easy to deal with or a quick fix. However, it can be dealt with.
First, you must strengthen your own spiritual energy. Just think of these beings as parasites and predators. They prey on the vulnerable and the guilty. You must absolutely begin to wear the panj kakkars at all times, especially when you are sleeping. Don't take them off. They are your protection. Please, I'm serious, even if you're not amritdhari. Start to practice living as an amritdhari and prepare to take amrit. There is no other way. You cannot have a spiritual protection by asking other people to help you. You must become that powerful spiritual person. Otherwise they won't leave you alone. They will leave the spiritual person alone and bother you. And you will get tired of this, and the spiritual people will get tired of this, so best to just become the spiritual person yourself. :)
Second, you must absolutely keep saying nitename, everyday. And you must keep amrit vela and do Naam japna. For one thing, it is Guruji's hukam. For another, the Gurbani is a power that repels evil. (Don't misunderstand. They are attacking you, so you must be attuned to the Gurbani. You can't be spiritually weakened and just reciting something spiritual and it be strong enough.) For another thing, Gurbani counteracts the negative messages these beings are feeding your mind. When you jap Naam, you fill your whole body-mind-atma with current. The Naam is your protection against evil energies. You need to practice Naam drihr. Anytime you are scared. Anytime you sense them. Anytime you are alone. At night. You need Naam. You can hold your kirpan and shout Jaikara. Stand your ground. Do not give off anger or negativity. Give blessing, peace. You are protecting yourself, your family and your home from negative energy. You do that with strength, faith, and positive energy. Do not say bad words. Demonic beings always say bad words. Do not let them speak through you. That's why you need to say a lot of paat, but most importantly, keep your nitname. It's not enough when you get scared to recite Sukhmani Sahib but not keep regular nitename. You must keep Guruji's hukam. The Gurbani is not being bothered...but you are. Just to say paat is not enough. In a sense, you must become paat. When the paat is a part of you through daily nitename, then you won't be bothered. Because then you are wearing the paat in the vibration of your being, and not just words on your lips.
At night time is when the energies of these things are more powerful. So always keep a light on, Gurbani kirtan playing, and get up early for amrit vela and do cold isnaan. Seriously, energize yourself at the time when they expect you to be sleeping and vulnerable. That way your mind is not listening to evil thoughts, but you are an awake warrior at a time when others are open to influences. They will go bother an easy target and leave you alone because you spoil their party. If they come into your presence, send blessing. This is the key, do not fight them with negativity. It won't work. Fight them with love. Fight them with hope. Fight them with forgiveness. Fight them with healing. Fight them with kindness. Fight them with the highest thoughts, and the highest energies, and the beautiful praise of Waheguruji, and the precious Naam, and they can't stand to be in your presence. They will run out the door.
The praise of the God is the power. Turn on the light in your whole body and mind and soul. Get clean with the Panj Piaras if anything is wrong there. Get clean with people in your family if anything is wrong there. Get clean, see the message is clean yourself inside and out and the parasites won't have any attraction to you. Keep clean and high thoughts and singing. Clean your whole house, maybe some bad thing is there. Take any items for an evil purpose, or old things that once belonged to an evil person, and throw them out. Even funny furniture if it has a bad vibration. Get rid of it. If it is money obtained in a bad way, get rid of it. Whatever it is, do a complete cleanse of your life. It will save your life. Pretas, bhoots, jamdhoots, jinns are the cause of physical, mental and spiritual disease. They are a bad sign. But Guruji is the doctor.
Third, put Gurbani on your walls and play Gurbani kirtan, especially at night when you are sleeping. It is most powerful if you play waja and sing the kirtan. Gurbani is your spiritual sword. It is your protection. These things are intimidating you so you put down the Gurbani because Guruji's bani is a threat to them. But if you stop saying paat, you have no protection...and that's what they want. Then they can manipulate you.
Fourth, anything you have done wrong, get it straight with the Panj Piare. When you have this kind of problem, you can't live like an ordinary person anymore. You can't go around and have a beer, or eat meat, or shave your dhaari. You have to be good. Seriously, there is no other way to defend yourself spiritually. You can't cut corners. For one thing, these things won't let you. You must cling to Guruji in how you live your life, that is your protection. That is how Guru will protect you, when you follow His hukam. Otherwise you can say ardaas and have akhand paath in the house, but you yourself are the battlefield.
Fifth, say ardaas everyday for Guruji and the shaheed Singhs to keep you safe from harm. There is a saying that when you are in darkness, turn the lights on and the darkness will flee.
Veerji/Bhenji, if you want protection, your whole life must change because you have to turn the light on with the Jyote of Waheguru. And then these things will avoid you.
You have no power over what other people in your family do, or if they in some way are attracting these things. But if you turn your house into a temple, bad things won't want to live there. Don't watch much t.v. Don't play manmukh songs on radio. Seriously, if you change your whole life their going to leave you alone. Because they can't fight you if you're spiritually strong. When you keep Guruji's hukam, then they have to fight Guru and they can't win.
These things are parasites like a disease. They look for the weak, the wounded and the dirty. Dark things are attracted to rot. So you need a total spiritual cleanse to purify the whole environment. Eat healthy. Sleep with Gurbani kirtan. Sometimes it gets worse before it gets better. Sometimes they put up quite a fight. Your protection is Guru. Have the attitude, even if you die, you will die a Gursikh. And try to live like a Gursikh. You don't have to be perfect. Just try to be good. Have that resolution, and they will leave.
It would also be a good idea to have Akhand Paath in your house. And invite strong Gursikhs to visit you often and stay with you for awhile. At least until it calms down...and it will.
There are no magic solutions. These things have always been around. You become aware of them when there is an imbalance in your life or environment, and because Guru wants you to wake up from the fake world and be His Sikh. All of these things are maya. Only Guruji is reality.
~bhul chak maaf karni ji
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Author: Khalsaspirit
Date: 08-05-07 15:28
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa,
Waheguru ji ki fateh
Khalsa jio,
Bibi ji has very good advise which we think not only for those who are seeing or being bothered by praats but also for us who are influenced 24/7 from five chors Kaam, Kordh, Lobh, Moh and Ahankar also Naam and bani treats Five Thughs Raaj, Mall, Roop, Jaat and Jovan.
Guru Mehar Karay
Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
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Author: jassmannn
Date: 08-06-07 04:09
Interesting points aboive.
I met a Gursikh once, who I asked about this subject, as I had just seen someone go through the experience of having Jadu Tuna put on them.
They told me that someone had tried to do Jadu on one of their family, who was a practicing Gursikh and Amrit Dhari, and they were given it in a glass of milk. HE said that as soon as this Amritdhaari Gursikh drank the milk, he was almost immediately sick and threw up and as a result non of the ill effects were experienced.
If you are a prcticing thiar bar thiar gursikh, these kind of things will not work, and the Guru will proect you.
For the rest of us, we must work harder to make sure that we are living by the Gurus law with a nitnem and maryada.
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Author: AkirtGhan
Date: 08-06-07 10:22
Harjas Kaur phenjee gave amazing advice.
I have also heard that some of these people put lead in peoples food. Lead has very bad effects on mind and body. So be careful when you feel these people have tempered with or are giving you food.
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Author: kulbir5
Date: 08-06-07 11:07
is black magic real
i thought black magic was .....
Vaheguroooo jee ka khalsa! Vaheguroooo jee ki fateh!
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Author: CSJ
Date: 08-07-07 14:01
I hate this kind of peoples who do this black magics on other people. I have suffred a lot from this. All the efort means paath and every thing goes towards fixing the problems and it is very hard to fix only the peson suffring from it can understand everybody else just make fun or say you dont have enough faith in god but really this persons who do this are living bhoot every they look like they have taken amrit. I think when they will die there soul will be working for some tantri like they have used these powers.
For myself I think after trying all possible ways under gurmat only. that we meet these people because of our bad karam from past that is way we have to suffer otherwise if guru sahib dont want this then nobody can do something. Until guru sahib wants nobody can fix it too.
Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh
"BHAGAT BINA BHU DUBEY SYANEY"
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