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Author: Is this what we need?
Date: 04-30-06 06:17
With camps coming up is this where we want to send our children, brothers, sisters? This is a clip from last years Sikhstudent camp in London, in the United Kingdom. So much for Sikhi Parchar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmRkEnimc_M
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Author: ns
Date: 05-01-06 00:55
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
With experience I've had with these typoes of camps , if parents really want to send their kids there my only most importance advice for them is to go with your kids to these camps.
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Author: disgusted
Date: 05-01-06 02:13
That was disgusting...
Now lets see the what kinda arguements the sikhstudent supporters come up with...
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Author: no1
Date: 05-01-06 02:48
nice....the sikhi parchaar flyin out in that video....dont understand....if these people would like to hold a camp to promote punjabism....then by all means go for it but why advertise as a sikhi camp....
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Author: singh
Date: 05-01-06 04:25
these are the same nihangs that say we should only listen to raag keertan???**#
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Author: Japnaam Singh
Date: 05-01-06 04:37
how do u know this was at the camp? - i think this topic should be locked - mud slinging matches
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Author: ao
Date: 05-01-06 05:30
absolute po.
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Author: very bad
Date: 05-01-06 08:02
i was thinking of going to this camp because i was told that their approach to Sikhi was easy to understand and apply, but now looking at this video i can see why. I am ashamed for this camp is called a Sikh Students Camp. But now looking at the name it does fit the agenda of the camp for it is only a Camp for Students, if one were wanting to learn about Sikhi maybe this is not the camp for them. I think i will try going to Sikhi Camp or Khalsa Camp
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Author: Singh
Date: 05-01-06 08:54
Sounds good, do you have the full video or more
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Author: iss
Date: 05-01-06 09:55
Ektaone supports the camp!!!
ektaone supports manmat!!!
Camp promotes...
Kaam
disrespects to bana bani
RSS parchar
Self harm during Nishan Sahib seva !
do i need to go on?
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Author: http://sikhissues.blogspot.com
Date: 05-01-06 10:06
see:
http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=79587&t=79508#reply_79587
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Author: hello
Date: 05-01-06 11:32
i live near chigwell and been to the school. it seems from the video that its one of the upstairs classrooms of khalsa college.
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Author: pkd
Date: 05-01-06 12:19
WOW!! looks like fun!!
Would i send my children, brothers and sisters to this camp???
uummm... yes!! if i could get them to go to a 'boring sikh camp'.. but thanks for making my job easier in helping to convince them that sikh camps are not boring...
my brothers and sisters are those that have not even been to a gurudwara for years.. they think that anyone who even goes to the gurdwara is boring and brainwashed.. they think that if you are a sikh you cannot have fun... so maybe just maybe this camp can attract them with its fun image.
do you have any idea how hard it is to convince ppl that being sikh isn't about being boring!! ..i am sure the organisors of youth sikh camps all across the country will be very grateful for your marketing the fun side of camps... the world is materialistic and students of today are stuck in the maya trap because they know nothing else.. they have experienced nothing else... if we can use video clips like this(MAYA) to allure youth to sikh camps... then once there they can then experience simran and kirtan and gursikh sangat in a safe environment.
thanks to whoever posted the above post. i am going to show it to my cousins and friends to show them that camps are not so bad after all.
and who knows.. they may go this year.. and who knows they may acquire respect for gursikhs... and who knows next time you meet them they may say gurfateh to you instead of not knowing how to talk to a person with a beard and turban.. who knows? and who knows.. maybe one day.. they will be graced with the courage to keep kesh.. and maybe they will be able to connect to the simran experience they had at camp and then will take a step towards Guru Ji...
i know ppl who have gone to this particular camp and have then gone on the path to seva and simran... these are people who were totally on the opposite path prior to that.. thanks to camp sevadars for all the hard work they put into getting things together.
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Author: Singh
Date: 05-01-06 12:46
Is this a "Sikh" same? Not that I am saying their is something wrong with the camp, but perhaps they should call it "Punjabi Student Camp".
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Author: singhwingh
Date: 05-01-06 13:14
the reasons theres so much media attention regarding nihangs etc on ektaone.com is because its moderated by a sikh student camp guy after the problems with the website.
as it says at the bottom of the main page "moderated by new team" or something. i've stopped sending in audio and video as i dont agree with the content on the site and dont want to make it any more popular so people actually end up going to camps like this.
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Author: sanjo
Date: 05-01-06 14:08
sikhi camp and khalsa camp are good, i would urge any students to go to one of these instead.
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Author: Just Someone
Date: 05-01-06 16:49
So what ya gonna do about E1 supporting manmatt camps?! lol
Please do post a copy of the email you sent them asking for explaination as to why they are supporting such a manmatt camp because i have spoken to a member of the team and, at time of posting which is 00:46 in UK on 2nd May 2006, no e-mails have been sent to the team raising any concerns.
so u lot should just grow up, and action your petty words.
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Author: err
Date: 05-01-06 23:02
err are the team blind! do they not have a personal responsibility? they are admins on a forum maybe just some one really needs to get a life! and stop the deffending of manmat. not supprising they are supporting it as they prob go down them selves with the things that go on..
From what happened last year I hope nothing worse happens this year forcing them to call the police. <Admin Cut>
Waheguru
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Author: Singh
Date: 05-01-06 23:07
Author: pkd
Date: 05-01-06 12:19
"if we can use video clips like this(MAYA) to allure youth to sikh camps..."
Use Maya to lure youth to camps? Are you serious?
Author: Just Someone
Date: 05-01-06 16:49
"because i have spoken to a member of the team and, at time of posting which is 00:46 in UK on 2nd May 2006, no e-mails have been sent to the team raising any concerns."
Should the Ektaone team really be checking their email/message boads at this time in the morning or should they not be asleep/starting their Ishnaan or Naam Abhiyaas?
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Author: ...
Date: 05-02-06 01:26
I agree with Just Someone - you lot shoudl grow up!
The whole point of the website is for Ekta, to put up information from ALL different jathebandies and events etc etc not just for example the Khalsa Camp - But ALL!!!
wjkk wjkp!!!!!!!!
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Author: Its All Good
Date: 05-02-06 01:55
Author: singhwingh
Date: 05-01-06 13:14
the reasons theres so much media attention regarding nihangs etc on ektaone.com is because its moderated by a sikh student camp guy after the problems with the website.
as it says at the bottom of the main page "moderated by new team" or something. i've stopped sending in audio and video as i dont agree with the content on the site and dont want to make it any more popular so people actually end up going to camps like this.
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IT SEEMS SINGH WINGH, YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN WRONG INFO SO PLEASE DO STAY QUIET IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT.
IT SEEMS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE POLITICS. EKTAONE.COM IS STILL GOING STRONGER THAN EVER AND HAS ALWAYS CLAIMED TO BE A NEUTRAL SITE WHEN IT COMES TO JATHABANDHIS SO GO SPREAD YOUR C**P ELSEWHERE PLEASE.
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Author: singhlondonwala
Date: 05-02-06 02:45
ive been wondering why ppl keep saying sikhi is boring blah blah blah, if u look at the sikh youth in the UK they are growing and many more ppl are coming to the kirtan programs across the country. yes there is a few bad apples like the sikhstudent/nangs lot making sikhi 'fun and hip hop' and losing the basics of sikhi while trying to be its all about love hype and leaving out the high ideals of a Gursikh. Yes there r a few ppl that organise these camp which dnt want this type of parchar going on but they r the minority.
These ppl are well known in the videos they r some nangs and organisers of the sikhstudent camp wud u want ppl doing bhangra in a Gurdwara?? Basically thats what the camp is?? Wud u want ur innocent children mixing with ppl who support taking drugs and go to dealers buying their weed??? Wud u want ur children coming into Sikhi with this type of role models?? The first experience of Sikhi they get is of ppl like kamalroop and bob wow am sure they going to grow into great Gursikhs it’s a shame ppl r defending these type of activities they sud be putting pressure on the sikhstudent lot to amend their ways.
As for ‘ektaone’ its changed its now supporting the sikhstudent/niddar’s nangs, so don’t give any material to that site, watch out beware.
Its just a shame how Sikhi is made out to be.
peace
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Author: indy
Date: 05-02-06 03:00
hey the link aint working....whats wrong wid sikhstudent camp?
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Author: LOL
Date: 05-02-06 03:02
there aint no nihangs in that video
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Author: ....
Date: 05-02-06 03:46
I think SinghWingh veerji has the right idea. If we urge people to stop using and visiting ekta one then it will become as popular as the the other nang websites out there at the moment.
Lets all support more panthic sites. If we send any content we have to new sites such as sevatothemax.com or covkhalsa.co.uk then Ektaone can go as nang-fied as it wants.
Anyway it sounds like EktaOne is run by sister-abusers and sikh-student camp organisers. Lets make a stand.
As for this "Panjabi student camp" There is a lot of people in the footage so its not even a small incident. Are the organisers in that footage?
I can't see anyone with any decency or reputation wanting to be at this camp.
Sad to see.
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Author: Joka
Date: 05-02-06 04:34
I agree with the video!! If it helps people to think we aint boring then thats brilliant!
Can we have a poker table and maybe some black jack at the khalsa camp as well this year? Cus maybe just maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe jus maybe someone who likes poker maybe might like to maybe attend!
I reckon there should be images of semi clad women on the posters too cus loads of guys will be attracted to that and maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe they might come as well!
Better still!!! Lets have one night of the camp dedicted to a propa old school dinner dance party!! Now come on how many people will that attract!!!!
Or we could just promote sikhi whilst having a laugh as singhs do, which is boring for some i guess. Oh well i going to the boring camps this year, i wish i was a fun hip cool kind of dude so i could attend the cool funky new age camp! Hmmm
(please take this message with the dose of sarcasm with which it was written!)
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Author: Muki
Date: 05-02-06 05:09
Agree with "Just Someone". Sangat have been moaning about this Chigwell Camp for a few years. But it still goes on!! This would not happen in the Midlands. Why are the east london sikhs not doing anything about this?. Does the Khalsa college approve of all the dodgy stuff that goes on. Has anyone ever fedback to the college, the organisers etc...
It's easy to be an internet warrior. Walk the Walk too......
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Author: Gurmat Camps
Date: 05-02-06 05:21
you wanna experience true sikhi?
Come to:
KhalsaCamp 2006 > http://www.khalsacamp.com/uk
(Tapoban Singh's should be attending again! :D )
OR for newcomers into Sikhi:
Sikhi Camp 2006 > http://www.sikhicamp.org
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Author: unbelievable
Date: 05-02-06 15:08
i read on sikhsangat that this camp is intentionally held at the same date as khalsa camp. are they at the same time? i know sikh students hate the jatha and stuff but i didnt realise this was the plan.
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Author: gupt singhni
Date: 05-02-06 15:13
sikh student camp's priority or strategy of promoting sikhi seems wrong.
i went to sikh student camp with my friend.
the person who did all stage announcements was a mona. which i was kinda surprised with.
there were talks in the darbar hall which said its okay to do bhangra and sing "dhan guru nanak" if you are showing pyar for guru in this way coz someone mentioned "sindhi community" in pakistan do that. which didn't make sense to me.
a lot of "friendliness". my friend and i felt uncomfortable that our fellow campers were hugging singhs and singhs were hugging back and "honky dory" but there's a line to draw! right? i think london galz were more sensible. it was more of the midlandz lot which were in your face and jumping around.
there were some nice gursikh parjis and penjis at the camp doin seva. i was genuinely inspired by them and looked up to them. but some of the campers and nihangs (like balkar singh parji) were scary and sorry to say "nutters". i was genuinely scared to approach some people... i suppose they were approachable to others. depends on your personality i suppose. also most prob coz i am girl and feel easier talking to a penji.
the camp fire was bit spooky. everyone standing around a fire and "screaming" akaal. i felt as if i was going to have nightmares with people shouting "akaal" in my dreams. i mean people were taking the mick coz they were laughing and shouting and people were holding hands and moving side to side like they do in pop concerts while singing simran. nice idea. but me and few penjis felt uncomfortable so didnt join in with putting your arm around and going side to side and saying "vaheguru".
i did enjoy the kirtan. one of the parjis did nice shabads. and loved hearin what the paath meant. mornin and evenin the hukam was translated for stupid people like me to understand. really made sense. but i didnt like doing yoga in darbar coz i know some girls who's chunni kept falling down.
sorry if i have written to much. jus want to let everyone know that i experienced good things as well as bad things at the camp. jus hopes things get better and more sisters participate as sevadars coz i think they were a few short.
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Author: singh
Date: 05-02-06 16:11
http://sikhproblems.blogspot.com/ has some interesting posts on this
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Author: hmmm
Date: 05-02-06 17:56
ektaone have put on a link to khalsa camp now after these topics, shame they forgot to mention sikhicamp.org - oh well, some things never change.
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Author: http://sikhissues.blogspot.com
Date: 05-02-06 23:33
Who does own lotus Media and SarblohWarriors.co.uk
an whos is running EktaOne now?
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Author: w/ever
Date: 05-03-06 01:28
i think this video has been taken way out of context; 1stly i don't see no camp organisers there dancing
2ndly how do we not know that 30seconds later a sevaddar came along and said "what the hell are you doing?"
i do think though that singing bolyian and dancing are wrong IF in the same building as Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaaj.
but i think it's unfair to give the camp a hard time because of the actions of a handful of individuals.
if anything i recommend sangta to hear kirtan/katha and see pictures of the camp
i know a lot of people who have gone there, from Gursikhs to people just stepping onto the path of Sikhi and all have said that the amount of piaar they felt was unbelievable
i understand some people may have had diffrentiated opinions on some of the things that went on but if you go to the camp with an open mind and don't partake in activities you don't feel comfortable with then it shouldn't really be a problem
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Author: ....
Date: 05-03-06 01:38
If it is really set up against the khalsa camp then we shud all go to it this year instead of khalsa camp...lets really see what goes on.
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Author: singh
Date: 05-03-06 03:17
i wont be sending anything to ektaone.
endorsing manmat camps and having the nerve to say "we accomadate EVERYBODY" is pathetic.
what next? Naamdharis and RadhaSwamis?
you can say "its only a joke and a laugh" but there are better ways to entertain yourselves than bhangra, ESPECIALLY AT A SIKHI CAMP FOR GODS SAKE.
the problem is it seems like a good camp, with positive feedback from the darbar and discourse but as bheenji said its a few people that are "nutters" or idiots that give the whole camp a bad name.
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Author: disgusted
Date: 05-03-06 03:39
its a shame we have to have a website like sikhproblems.blogspot.com - thats just disgusting. we have to tell the world about the internal problems we have in Sikhi today. This is tarnishing Sikhi, not making things better. Vaheguru..
:'(
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Author: OPEN MINDED SINGH
Date: 05-03-06 03:51
why are we constantly at each others throats?
i have noticed the some ppl demand perfection all the time, are we perfect?
are we not allowed to slip up now and then? its not on purpose im sure.
be fair singhs and singhnia, just take a step back and look wat ur doing, is this not nindiya?
looks at yourselves.....(me too), its so easy to criticise and be so kattar, we forget the pyaar that guru nanak dev ji tought us abt. i'm not just tlaking about camps or a particular camp, im talking abt everything we do. stand up for wat u believe in, im not sayin dont, but pls would it not be better to contact ppl u have grieviences with rather than spreading this disease of nindiya?
come on lets sort ourselves out here, we've managed to split the panth into a million segments in just over 300 years....wat an amazing feat...well done.
bhul chuk maaf
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Author: What ekta?
Date: 05-03-06 04:15
Haven't they? Why not? If the website is about 'ekta' and all that then it should push all the camps! From looking at the front page it only seems to show one camp before and that was it! Why isnt the sikh camp up there too?
Wil there need to be more arguments and stuff before that gets put up? If anything sikhi camp has more similar to khalsa camp! so whats the problem?! people tend to forget that not everyone is ready for a very spiritual experience (khalsa camp) and not everyone wants to muck about (student lot) as a middle ground it should have been advertised by the web guys.
shame really, talking about ekta but not showing any!
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Author: LK
Date: 05-03-06 04:17
Author: unbelievable
Date: 05-02-06 15:08
i read on sikhsangat that this camp is intentionally held at the same date as khalsa camp. are they at the same time? i know sikh students hate the jatha and stuff but i didnt realise this was the plan.
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From personally knowing some of the SS Camp sevadars, they tell me that last year Khalsa Camp intentionally held the camp same date as SS Camp.
I cannot speak about this year, but as I understand it, it is the same this year Since Khalsa camp don't want jatha people to do to SS camp
There are good and bad things in all camps. There are manmats in (believe it or not) every single UK camp. Does this mean they are all wrong?
No. SOme are benificial to some, and other camps are benificial to other. Go and have a look around and see what suits you the best.
There is not a single camp that can stand up and say there's no manmat.
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Author: Seeker
Date: 05-03-06 04:24
Yes it is rather odd! Especially as the BOSS camp is happening nearly a month before the other two and hence no clash watsoever. I cant see why this camp is being ignored and camps happening later in the summer are being promoted first?
Doesnt make sense at all. Anyway hope to see some of you guys at the BOSS and khalsa camps.
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Author: full of......
Date: 05-03-06 05:22
You guys have nothin better to do??
You petty petty people, i just can't believe it!!... honestly?? I've spoken to a few people and after all this hostility (as oposed to discussing it with pyar) can only bring us to the decision that we would be better off as monas and cut our hair than be a part of your narrow mindedness... I'd rather get out of Sikhi than chill with ignorant people like yourselves... I know for a fact people have done that and they only blame people like YOURSELVES for driving them out of Sikhi in the first place. Thats a fact. Get it in your heads.
I'm done.
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Author: L O L
Date: 05-03-06 05:37
strangely enough for those who want to criticise... heres an adaption from the "about" section on ektaone... I dont see any mention of nihangs, budda dal or tarna dal in there - im sure if the website was taken over by "nangs" this would have been the first thing they changed.
"here are many groups (jathas) such as Akhand Keertani Jatha, Taksaal, Guru Nanak Nishkam Sevak Jatha, Nanaksar and more who do so much for Sikhi in a positive light and this website aims to unite their efforts and bring you (the sangat) resources where the content such as audio, videos, photos and literature, is added irrelevent of which jatha it relates to or is produced by."
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Author: wot u gonna do?
Date: 05-03-06 06:01
so the majority of u guys are saying that this camp is wrong. so wot u gonna do?? all that i know is that this camp has the type of ppl attending that none of the other camps can get to attend- the ppl really out of touch with sikhi. so rather than thinking about discrediting it y not try and help it out and make the quality of the camp better and prevent this hippy stuff from happening? or are u guys too stuck up to help a camp in need, or too worried wot others may think? more sikhi camps the better so why not offer your knowledge and advice.
just a thought
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Author: Stranger
Date: 05-03-06 06:04
the youth need to be aware of the false parchar that is going on the its easy for ppl to sit on the net and write nice articles etc, we need to make people aware off these nangs like kamalroop and bob and his gang. They jeevan is so dodgy and they have done enough damage to sikhi over the years.
the sikhstudent/nangs are very pro-active in this field they sit on the net chatting to ppl all day long trying to sweet talk them into their stupid ways. most of the nangs go to sikhstudent camp and now have took over "ektaone" and r promoting the nangs stuff. its just a shame that ppl with dodgy back grounds r pulling together guess they have a common cause.
Even places like sikhsangat that once was against these people are now playing into their hands, just to please them. They wont allow any discussion against this twisted parchaar and even let Kamalroop’s words dictate the present day accepted view.
But being partners with the Ektaone website what else can we expect from them??
Wonder who’s pulling the stings at SikhSangat?
A small benti to the Sikhi Camp and Khalsa Camp organizers to keep an eye out on the internet. The “Punjabi” student camp seem to have a strong hold on the forums.
Keep in Chardi Kala people
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Author: Some guy
Date: 05-03-06 12:23
i agree with w/e
only someone who was there at this xact time cud no wat happened
and sikhi camp i dnt think is for beginers
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Author: !
Date: 05-03-06 12:35
"the camp fire was bit spooky. everyone standing around a fire and "screaming" akaal. i felt as if i was going to have nightmares with people shouting "akaal" in my dreams."
--->You can watch a video of this on Mr. Sikhnet's blog:
http://www.mrsikhnet.com/2005/09/jaikaras-around-bonfire.html
From the video it looks campers are worshipping a fire and about to go war!!!!!! scaryyyyyy
Any need to raise swords to a fire??????? i can see why some campers may get scared!!!!!!!
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Author: ...
Date: 05-03-06 13:39
Who runs ektaone.com nowadays.
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Author: yo
Date: 05-03-06 14:27
mann i fink the fire looks wicked... those hu r gettin scared r just bein stupid!
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Author: LK
Date: 05-03-06 14:34
Seems pretty fun to yell jaikars around the fire. Probably gets you into propa beeras lol.
Will try it.
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Author: open minded singh
Date: 05-03-06 14:35
just looks like they're invoking the bit russ within themselves.....is that not a good thing?
nowhere inthe video (amongst the darknessness) can i see a worshippin of fire lol
i think u just made that up
lol
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Author: ....
Date: 05-03-06 15:39
looks like a scene from a cartoon......thats it....power rangers....hailllllllllllllll
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Author: singh
Date: 05-03-06 16:17
amanpreet singh still does. but hes "moderated" now
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Author: singhlondonwala
Date: 05-03-06 17:46
i think if the sangat gets together and puts pressure on the ppl who run sikhstudent and do benti with them not to let the nangs into their camp.
i know ppl have approached them on many occasions but they seem to be too reliant on the nangs. I think we need to make ppl aware off their antics and try to stop this manmat. They can harp on about the good at the camp but the bad out ways the good. Plus this is not about numbers or jatha thing as they want to make it out too be. Its about the future our kids the type of sikh kids that will come out the camps? Do we really want our kids soo confused and thinking Sikhs are really funny and down at our level, doing all the things we should not be doing just becus we want to be popular
we are in this mess becus ppl want to bring Sikhi down to their level and not look at the higest levels. Jeevan is soo important but we seem to ignore it now a days, we let ppl get away with loads of manmat not wanting to be the ppl who offend others but some1 has to make a stand.
Nows the time lets not support sites like ekata1, it’s a joke ekata where the hell is ekata u got all the nangs stuff on the site. It was a joke when that chap who confessed to all sorts of stuff used the banner ekata just to do his dirty deeds. Hope all the groups who are panthic stick together and give guidance to the youth that’s whats needed now a UNITED FRONT against the nangs and the hip hop jatha.
peace
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Author: Trigger
Date: 05-03-06 18:29
lol. getting scared at a sikh camp of a sikh because he has a sword. OMG
swords should be banned
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Author: sikh
Date: 05-03-06 18:53
wait wasnt ranjeet singh there?ddarinwalle.cant spell it.but yeh. i thought he was pretty relious?whats wrong witht the camp?
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Author: Hello Ji
Date: 05-04-06 03:21
Having watched the video, i cant say im impressed at all. What is the point in shouting jakareh when facing a fire?? And so what anyway? Iv heard little kids at kids camps shouting louder jakareh then the ones in the video! You sure these were grown men? Sounds like someone could do with some throat medication as well!
Maybe the swords are out because they want to challenge the fire to a fight? I remember a while back these was something about these guys wanting to fight/challenge guru ji/god to a fight because they were so 'hard' and fearless. maybe they want to fight with the bonfire as well?!?
As for the chap who wants to cut his har because of people posting on the forum ... well ermm what do you expect people to say? Nehiiiiiiiiiiiii???
grow up mate, this is life people are going to disagree with plenty of things, if somebody saying they dont like bhangra etc is enough to make you want to cut your hair then that doesnt say much about your love for sikhi in the first place! we have people like bhai taru singh who would rather die then cut their hair, and we have people like urself who threaten to cut their hair because of a discussion on the internet! Nobody is asking you to chill with anyone, you chill with whoever you like! Nobody has tied you to people from here have they!? Stop being such a drama queen!
Self harm, blood on the nishaan sahib, shouting at fires, brandashing swords at fires, i wonder what wonderful new thing we will have this year?!? Maybe they migh toast marshmellows using their spears?
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Author: A Singh
Date: 05-04-06 04:30
Stranger commented:
<<nangs like kamalroop and bob and his gang. They jeevan is so dodgy and they have done enough damage to sikhi over the years>>
I have seen much mention of these two individuals on the net in recent years, I believe Bob is a 30-something chap that just about everyone who has been to uni at some point in their life knows as the Man who was running BOSS for quite sometime in the late 1990s.
Kamalroop is a name I see branded around a lot and yet I am surprised to find that all one sees is nothing but 'nang' this and 'nang' that or that he has a lot of girls interested in him (well good for him?) - nothing however substantial to actually verify or qualify any of these numerous posts, particuarly since they seem to come from a select group of individuals.
In short I can only assume that these are personal opinions - however when one does a search for Kamalroop on any sikh site, aside from the above slander all one finds are articles such as that below:
http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=52921&t=52921#reply_52921
Now is this the same Kamalroop - if so, is this the same person on Sikhawareness who posts as Kamalroop - again, if so, what exactly makes anything that he has stated "nang", as I see little mention of the nang accusations (i.e. goat cutting, riding, eating, idol worshipping etc)?
Moreover, if this is the same Kamalroop, and if all the accusations are correct, why is a Panthic Chardi Kala site like Tapoban hosting his work?
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Author: open minded singh
Date: 05-04-06 07:18
*bir rus nor bit rus!!! on my last post
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Author: !
Date: 05-04-06 08:10
i am sure someone who is part of organisin sikh students camp is definately on this forum or will read this message... can the sikh students camp organisers plz tell me whether kamalroop, bob and bahadur are part of this year's camp? last year i heard that bob (wot a name!) was a sevadar and use to make announcments?
let's see how they justify these three individuals coming to every camp and spreading the filth coated in sugar. u may portray to be a sikhi camp but face it that you got people who splurt filth out in the camps.
here's some photos of last year's camp from mr. sikhnet's site:
"Bob"
"Kamalroop"
rehit piyari mujh ko, sikh piara nahe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Author: ok
Date: 05-04-06 09:20
so you get bir ras or you show bir ras in the presence of a fire? What a joke!
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Author: singh
Date: 05-04-06 09:44
[link] http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3539/2891/320/itty.jpg [/link]
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Author: akaal singh
Date: 05-04-06 11:16
the organizers of the camp sound like a group of push overs.
i agree 100% wid singhlondonwala
are the organizers of the camp all rehitvan gursikhs? all keshdhari? all amritdhari? all practicing Nitnemi Sikh?
someone may think this is irrelevant but it has a big difference. if the organizers and sevadars of the camp are not amritdhari themselves or don't keep basic rehit of naam abhiyaas, nitnem banis and wear kakkaars then how can they inspire others to follow guru's bachan.
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Author: gupt singhni
Date: 05-02-06 15:13
sikh student camp's priority or strategy of promoting sikhi seems wrong.
i went to sikh student camp with my friend.
... the person who did all stage announcements was a mona. which i was kinda surprised with.
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can anyone confirm this to be true?
sometimes we try to impress people so much that we compromise rehit fearing that we don't want to look "militant" or "fanatical" in front of cut-haired people. but end of day i think brothers and sisters are more inspired by seeing a full sikhi saroop practicing gursikh with kamayai and jeevan. a person should able to see the guru shining from these gursikhs. bit hard if cut-haired people are on the forefront or loose character people are the face of the camp.
that's my two cents.
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Author: v a h e g u r o o o o
Date: 05-04-06 11:59
the "ekta1 chap" was just subjected to politics by people who wanted to take over the site - fact, not fiction. and did they win? no, coz it obviously seems to have fallen into the wrong hands if u believe its all nang stuff. although i was just looking at the site... its weird to say its all nang stuff - ive always seen the site to be more akj coz it has more akj content than any other jatha and nang content doesnt seem to be that much.
i think the thread should be closed before this gets even more out of control... admin, this is a benti...
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Author: .
Date: 05-04-06 12:12
Rav, -
we are in this mess becus ppl want to bring Sikhi down to their level and not look at the higest levels.
We can't expct every1 to cum to a cmp with the same avastha. Yes if its Khalsa camp, most people will be Amrittari, but on other camps ther'es gonna be some Amrittari, some monea....
Every1s different, SStudent camp apprches from different angles.
You gotta confess that BOSS is going down after nangs left it. look at the turn out on boss events...
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Author: Prabhjoyt Singh
Date: 05-04-06 12:13
the bonfire stuff just seems ritualistic
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Author: sum 1
Date: 05-04-06 12:25
Can i ask a question the only nihang thing on the ektaone site is HARIVELA NIHANGS VAISAKHI 2006 stuff am i wrong or are these the good nihangs who are vegetarian. So if they are the 'proper' nihangs then why would the nangs put them on ektaone if they had taken it over.
just a question.
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Author: ...
Date: 05-04-06 12:39
who are the new moderators of ekta
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Author: englaaand vala
Date: 05-04-06 14:33
most of organisers
a) are not amritdharhi
b) do not keep rehit
c) only a few mugs 3-4 who keep rehit follow rehit who are pulled into the rubbish we will change every year.
mentioning amrit is taboo makes u look militant. moto of organisers
"anyone everyone is a sikh you dont need to take amrit!"
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Author: singh
Date: 05-04-06 19:02
sarblohwarriors.co.uk guy, the same people who made the sikhstudentcamp website funnily enough.
you can say 'ekta1' is affiliated with whoever but theres definately some nang influence, even more so before this thread was created.
"the "ekta1 chap" was just subjected to politics by people who wanted to take over the site - fact, not fiction. and did they win? no, coz it obviously seems to have fallen into the wrong hands if u believe its all nang stuff."
you can cry politics or you can open your eyes:
http://sikhproblems.blogspot.com/
*updated*
im glad the admin hasnt closed this thread as it highlights the problems at sikh student camp, which have been suppressed by other forums like sikhsangat.com
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Author: ...
Date: 05-05-06 02:42
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[I]Author: englaaand vala
Date: 05-04-06 14:33
most of organisers
a) are not amritdharhi
b) do not keep rehit
c) only a few mugs 3-4 who keep rehit follow rehit who are pulled into the rubbish we will change every year.
mentioning amrit is taboo makes u look militant. moto of organisers
"anyone everyone is a sikh you dont need to take amrit!"[/I]
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not good! not good at all!
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Author: avidya
Date: 05-05-06 03:19
Waheguruji Ka Khalsa Waheguruji Ki Fateh
Some problems;
the basic ethos of most of the posters on this particular forum seems to be (and I could be wrong) that unless you are amritdhari, following AKJ style maryada, you are not a Sikh as such, and anything that isn't of the above is not Sikhi but 'manmat'.
With such an approach is it not surprising that khalsa camp hasn't really had such a great pull on non-amritdharis! You may not like the UK Nihangs perspective, but their's is clearly not the same as the above and is most certainly more inclusive. The Sikh Student camp seems to harbour this inclusiveness and has been very successful as a result drawing in and inspiring many.
In my own personal opinion, I think it is a testimony to the deep rooted bigotry of supposed 'aspiring' amritdharis to hold that anything other than what they practice is relatively manmat. This is played out in the language of some of the above posters, talk of 'going down to their level'. What does that mean?! A gursikh is the epitome of humility, who recognises parbrahm in everyone. How can I go down to someone else's level, unless I'm full of haumai????
And it is this egofull 'I am greater than you' snootiness that horrifies most non-amritdharis (and amritdharis).
My aatm and their aatm is one and the same. We share the same Guru. I follow a set of practices to try and get closer to parbrahm, yet my friend perhaps hasn't yet. The fact that we are meeting at a camp suggests she/he is, however, interested in learning about and taking on these practices and looking for inspiration, possibly they're not. Either way we can engage with each other and learn from each other. That is a valuable and inspiring experience and from what I've seen far more inspiring than guilt trips and bigotry.
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Author: s
Date: 05-05-06 12:53
avidya, what you says makes sense. People who are not into sikhi should be brought in and included. However, this doesn't mean changing the message itself. Include and elevate everyone. Don't bring the standard of sikhi down to meet the standards of everyday society, just to include everyone.
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Author: LK
Date: 05-05-06 15:41
1- Bahadur dind't come 2005. He did come only for a day or two 2004
2- Someone mentioned about a mona being a stage secretary..
so what?
I don't knwo if that is true, however -
please, give the man a break. He might honestly coming to the path of Guru Ji, and it was a seva he felt tha by doing, he could interact more with sangat, rather than being a quiete chap in the corner.
avidya has mentioned some of the reasons many people on this fourm ahve concerned. Cause they can't accept that their rehit is different from other people's.
's' as far as I'm aware, nowhere are they taking down the standard of Sikhi. has any single ONE of the SPEAKERS (im not talking about the BS-ing that might be doing on in dorms) has said it's okay to cut kes, or do anything else agianst Sikhi.
Please listen to the talks, listen what they preach, and only then comment. Don't comment on a topic you have no knowledge about. INstead of saying:
falana said they do this- - listen to what they ahve to say - YOURSELF.
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Author: Think about it
Date: 05-06-06 02:55
Well their official attitude to other camps is quite interesting. There is general consensus to not 'bash' other camps. The sangat has the right to discuss etc but the organisers should as responsible people not get involved in the mud slinging.
However if you look at the student camp info on ekta website this is what it says in its 2nd paragraph...
"Unlike some other camps, Sikh Student Camp is open to all, regardless of which jatha you follow, which background your from or what caste you are. As long as your at least 17 years of age, Sikh Student Camp 2006 is open to you. "
The fact that this is all said in the 2nd paragraph shows just how insecure they are. Why do they feel the need to attack other camps in order to promote their own? None of the other camps have as far as i am aware ever advertised their camp in this way. Neither to my knowledge has either Khalsa camp or Sikhi camp based entry on jatha, background or caste. This is what the student camps is suggesting.
Yes certain individuals as mentioned in this thread will propbably not be allowed, but then that is a responsible decision made by the organisers for the safety of the campers. it is not based on caste etc.
the same approach is used in the student camp video/trailer. where one of the very first images shows some guys with angry faces and has some writing saying 'we are not like other camps' - suggesting that other camps are some sort of angry experience?! again this is one of the very first pictures in that video.
It seems a shame that on one hand they claim to be so sidhe sadhe and innocent and the poor victims of slander etc. and yet at the same time they are openly attacking the other camps and showing just how insecure they are.
I would urge the organisers of Khalsa camp and Sikhi camp to not fall to the standards of the student guys by promoting your camps using these methods. your promotion should be based on love, not by generating hate as the sikh student camp is trying.
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Author: englaaand vala
Date: 05-06-06 02:56
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Author: LK
Date: 05-05-06 15:41
1- Bahadur dind't come 2005. He did come only for a day or two 2004
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bahadur did come in 2005 camp. he came on during the day on the day of the bonfire and stayed a night. but organisers didn't want him there and asked him to leave. he left the next morning.
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Author: GB Singh
Date: 05-06-06 04:49
Agree with avidya.
Everyone has to start somewhere. Some people progress quicker than others. Being just Amritdhari does not qualify one to judge the guns in others. Everyone is so quick to criticise. Have all the people slating the camp even been or is this just a free for all mass attack on the camp and organisers?
Someone mentioned Kamalroop Singh. He is a fine character. Just because he does not conform to all AKJ rules does not make him a bad person.
Knowing him on a personal level I would not label him a Nihang, Taksali or part of any one group.
It would be much better to see the youth hold joint camps and achieve some sort of unity. Something our elders have always struggled with.
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Author: gabbar
Date: 05-06-06 05:29
oh did some one forget to mention getting a pattit to do kirtan! yes a bibi came to camp a year before amritdharhi with keski nlast year came now PATIT and was asked to do kirtan.
message its ok to take amrit and commitie Kurhaits we still accept you.
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Author: What about this????
Date: 05-06-06 08:40
Everyones been saying that there's no girls in video and that its just boys messing around, watch video again, at 24 seconds who walks past??
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Author: Shocked!
Date: 05-06-06 14:36
Completly Agree with "Think about it"
For a camp that prides itself on being non-judgemental and loving all, this is a HUGE flaw by the organisers.
Yes, you may not always be able to control the campers but if this is the attitude of the organisers themselves it does not bode well at all.
And what is this i'm seeing? At the 24th second, a girl walks past?? IN THE MALE DORMS??
More than the Bhangra. the issue of mixing in dorms is seriously more problematic for a so-called Sikhi Camp
Oh dear oh dear... things seem to be going from bad to worse. The organisers really need to be held responsible in some way.
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Author: Sikhsangat just as bad
Date: 05-07-06 05:14
After posting this on Sikhsangat, wihtin twenty minutes the link had become inactive and the post removed from teh site, biased?!!?!?!?!
Everyones been saying that there's no girls in video and that its just boys messing around, watch video again, at 24 seconds who walks past??
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Author: w/ever
Date: 05-07-06 05:40
lol oh my daysssss!!!
a) how do you know that was the boys dorms?
b) how do you not know the girl was there for a genuine reason like perhaps came to get medication, or see her brother, or see her cousin about something
c) why are you making a big "hoo-haa" about a girl walking past who is 1) fully clothed 2)not dancing 3) not singing 4)walking alone!!!
seriously maaph karna but some people need to calm down!!
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Author: yup
Date: 05-07-06 06:21
I also agree with veer 'Think about it'. I wouldn't want my sisters/mothers/daughters to be in that kind of environment, amongst those complete jokers.
I think the camp has just spoiled its rep...
...so stick to KHALSACAMP or SIKHICAMP!
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Author: True Nindya
Date: 05-07-06 06:39
A life of no existence is a dead soul, without the true guru, one is not going to get anywhere no matter how hard they try.
When I read this post I feel that either a few people have insecurities are too weak in their thought process and like to listen to small rumours rather, that the beautiful kirtan of the guru.
You like to criticise those in your eyes, as low and they should be doomed, “is that what your guru done ?”
I look at all the posts and actually think have these people actually looked inside ?
Every day your candle is burning out, and even though you might be alight all I can see is darkness, you think are you inspiring others but really your just looking for it yourself because you haven’t got it.
If you haven’t been touched by the Arrow of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, then please do not speak against ANY camp as they are “sachkand on earth”
You all claim you are the khalsa, and the Guru lives in his khalsa !
SHAME ON YOU ALL IF YOU ARE THE SIKHS OF THE GURU, AND THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT YOUR OWN PEOPLE, THEN YOUR GURUS HAVE FAILED IN THEIR MISSION !
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Author: daas
Date: 05-07-06 06:47
Its not a girl, its guy with his hair out and a doorag (similar to patka on).
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Author: Singh
Date: 05-07-06 07:05
"Someone mentioned Kamalroop Singh. He is a fine character. Just because he does not conform to all AKJ rules does not make him a bad person."
Are you serious? There are various first hand accounts of Kamalroop's various exploits, many of which involving the opposite sex. They don't need to be publicised on the internet but it is most definately the case that Kamalroop Singh has a very bad reputation based not on rumour but what have unfortunately experienced and witnessed first hand. If you actually speak to people who knew him closely in the past you would know this. You claim you know him personally and on these grounds I am suprised you do not.
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Author: singh
Date: 05-07-06 08:12
in reply to the 24 secs.
that was not a bibi!!!!
it was me!!! i am NOT a bibi!!!
ok i will hold up my hands to the fact there was some music played and there was some dancing. we never thought it was bad. but now that it has been pointed out by our brothers and sisters. we will take this into account for our future actions and make sure it never happens.
but that was not.. repeat NOT a BIBI!!!
it was 'non-camp' time in the dorms. i had my hair down!!
NOT A BIBI!!!
i have no interest in the camp and no reason to say this. but i wanted to make it clear there were no boys and girls in each others dorms.
what crazy ppl talk about camp like this??.. answer: those that have not been to it. this thread is just plain silly.
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Author: no1
Date: 05-07-06 08:52
it could be a singh with his hair down
i have no proof but im trying to find an explanation for this.
it could be a singh, but it could also be a girl.
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Author: singh
Date: 05-07-06 17:02
i tought they say going in opposite sex dorms is strictly banned??
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Author: singh
Date: 05-07-06 18:25
why were the gurmat camp pictures taken down from ektaone.com???
they were up for a day and now they arent there
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Author: Garry
Date: 05-08-06 02:46
All i would like to say is the sikh students main kirtaniee rumta singh seem to be playin the vaja and the bhangra tunes how can he then present himself in front of mahraj 2 do kirtan in front of sangath
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Author: M singh
Date: 05-08-06 05:01
i don't normally email on this forum but here goes...
from first hand experience, sikh student camp is very anti-gurmat, the singh on the waja is a sevaader, he is popular because he does lovely kirtan (when he feels like it) otherwise he makes up punjabi songs
i have witnessed all the screams, boy-girl hugging at this camp, messing around, nangs saying to girls its ok to remove body hair the list is endless, we are in serious kaaljug with this camp and khalsa camp and sikhi camp need to make efforts to stop this manmat
i am very much part of the akand kirtani jatha sangat but must stress to the person that mentioned BOSS that BOSS is a genuinely good organisation that promotes gurmat. Its not interested in numbers but quality. last year i went to khalsa camp and sikhi camp. at sikhi camp there was one mona who decided to keep kesh and tyed dastaar, and one bebi i think. sikhi camp also had a group of AKJ youth who attended and the sikhi camp sevaaders always allowed them to do kirtan at diwan's etc, it was a nice atmosphere.
sikhi camp and khalsa camp should support each other and try and either stop sikh student camp or amend it.
and to the person who asked about kamalroop, he is a brilliant speaker and writter but a very inappropraite singh i have known him for years. i overheard him say to a girl once i feel like having 's*x on the beach', i was disgusted and confronted him I wanted to beat him. bahadur is just as disgusting and bob said in a talk that he has overcome his panj chor and that if anyone wants darshen of guru Nanak Dev jee then they should just hang out with him. reading all the above posts....shocked me because they are all true and not rumours, please believe me all the dodgee you have read above are truth and even a bit underestimated. god save us, singhs we must unite to stop this.
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Author: NAAAM
Date: 05-08-06 05:19
TRUE NINDIYA - GREAT POST :-)
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Author: Who?
Date: 05-08-06 08:17
Who's this bahadur singh? u guys posted pics of both kamalroop and bob singh, so put a pic of bahadur singh so sangata can be aware of him.
thank you
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
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Author: (")
Date: 05-08-06 08:35
how do we know the difference between nindiya and standing up for whats wrong and trying to raise awareness, these are serious issues i don't think they are cruel if they are true experiences
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Author: uk singh
Date: 05-08-06 08:41
Singh and M Singh - I admit that Kamalroop Singh in the past had a questionable history with the opposite sex. However, after he came he into the fold of Sikhi and after taking amrit I do not agree with the accusations you make.
Back to the video - The guy on the Vaja (aka Ramta) enjoys singing Punjabi songs as this his one of his interests. He was the same Singh on the LU tube as shown on the Mr Sikhnet website.
I am surprised that all seem to be focusing on one of his weaknesses and not the other work he performs as a brilliant kirtani and sevadaar in and outside of the SSC.
What are we achieving by doing Ninda of other Singhs? Are you all perfect?
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Author: yup
Date: 05-08-06 09:07
some ppl are so gullible sometimes when it comes to "nindiyaa" issues.
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Author: A Singh
Date: 05-08-06 14:31
This thread probably does more for anti-sikh elements than the works of McLeod, dubious websites and that supposed "sikh" chap on BNP TV do if you combine all of these items together!!!
This is a great piece on the insecurities and frankly immaturity of "sikhs" today - the evidence is here for all to see...
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Author: dude
Date: 05-08-06 18:05
yo man the sikh student camp rocks man
you can say what you want man but for normal poeple, it is a great intro to sikhi because i have been to other camps which are more like really too extreme in your face and alien to normal uni students.
and the dude from sikhnet main guy, attended all the camps in the uk and he BIGGED up the Sikhstudent one the most...
and man just keep nindiyaing it because it gets even more chardikla!
plus, that guy in the video is a wiked guy man , he was havign a bit of fun
but you guys wouldnt knwo what that is
i mean you dont even have smilies on your forum...!!!!
oh sorry smilies are against gurmat aint they i better go for PESHI !
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Author: singhlondonwala
Date: 05-09-06 03:35
just shows the mentality on the ppl that go to sikhstudent camp, they r so up themselves they think a smile on your face is Sikhi?? an sure the other camps r very interactive and many get anand from them to improve their jeevens.
There enuf evidence out there about the ppl that go to their events r just looking to recruit for the nangs while the organisers look on without having the guts to stop them. Any ways hope they realise what they r doing and change their ways.
kamalaroop does the same stuff as when we was a mona if not worse now. his only keeping low becus he has been found out.
Rab Rakha
peace
yo man the sikh student camp rocks man
you can say what you want man but for normal poeple, it is a great intro to sikhi because i have been to other camps which are more like really too extreme in your face and alien to normal uni students.
and the dude from sikhnet main guy, attended all the camps in the uk and he BIGGED up the Sikhstudent one the most...
and man just keep nindiyaing it because it gets even more chardikla!
plus, that guy in the video is a wiked guy man , he was havign a bit of fun
but you guys wouldnt knwo what that is
i mean you dont even have smilies on your forum...!!!!
oh sorry smilies are against gurmat aint they i better go for PESHI !
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Author: singhni
Date: 05-09-06 04:04
"dude" your comments seem quite childish, its well known that the sikh student camp is a complete joke and anyone who wants to go and have fun with guys an girls - ie mingling abit too closely then thats the place to go! So many of my friends have been to that camp and omwaheguru when they come back, they got some messed up ideas in their heads.
This camp needs to be banned or somthing because its just besti and the organisers are well known anti-gurmat people!
Stick to Khalsa Camp and Sikhi Camp - you'll gaing alot more lahaa etc rather than to go and muck about!
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Author: Gabbar
Date: 05-09-06 04:07
Author: Who?
Date: 05-08-06 08:17
Who's this bahadur singh? u guys posted pics of both kamalroop and bob singh, so put a pic of bahadur singh so sangata can be aware of him.
thank you
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
He's Portuguese white man in Sikhi Sarup. He is tall, chubby face and has a strong accent. He sometimes where's Patiala style Pagh and sometimes a small Dumalla.
* He swears alot
* Uses vulgar language
* Supports Snatanism (a student of Harjot Oberoi).
* Claims to be a "Nirmala"
* Been told by people that he flirts with girls and has "eyed them up" at functions.
* He told a Penji that he hasn't taken Amrit yet because he plucks his eyebrows because otherwise his eyebrowse would be too bushy.
* Told students that girls that don't remove their facial or bodily hair are ugly. Instead God wants them to be beautiful, i.e. hairless, so women should trim and shave.
* Believes AKJ are idol-worshippers. He argues that keeping Rehit is equal to idol-worship, as Rehit is an idol for AKJ.
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Author: 87
Date: 05-09-06 04:22
people saying singing bhangra tunes is against sikhi is not nindiyaa its the truth
but if people want to sing n dance around let em init its their choice it affecting their sprituality isnt it??
and "dude"
ur write laughing is against gurmat yes u shud go for pesh loll (being sarcastic)
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Author: Pandi
Date: 05-09-06 04:44
TOO FUNNY (oops sorry forgot no humour)
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Author: Robert Langdon
Date: 05-09-06 11:28
I think 'dude' is actually an organiser acting as a camper, to promote the camp as ok. I spoke to a sevadaar myself who saw everything which went on there. He was there for the whole camp. If you want to know what happened I will say, but I think most people can see what goes on anyway.
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Author: gabber
Date: 05-09-06 11:55
see looking for a pic though!!!
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Author: .....
Date: 05-09-06 12:31
"dude and others"
im at uni and last summer someone mentioned khalsa camp N i didnt know anything about it..but decided to go with my mates....i assure you while the Gurmat aspect of it is amazing...thers alot of recreational stuff to do...N smiling aint considered a crime there neither :P
i had bare jokes there...met people i hadn't seen for yr's... khalsa camp for me looking back seems like a dream, like i cant believe it was so wicked, but when i look at the fact im now doing my pathh, i realise it def was not a dream.
about the camp...the camp truly changed my outlook on sikhi/life, while i admit i still make millions of mistakes, i can hand on heart say i do not commit any bujjer kurehit..N i feel my experience at khalsa camp made me take that step as well as finding sangat in my area...am i perfect..far from it
am i an AKJ now....no... but i hav alot of love for them..for all sikhs... but im not a jatha person...im happy just being Sikh :)
This yr i will be checkin out Sikhi Camp
BTW the dorms at khalsa camp...too bad :) we all had ensuite...wicked, trust me :)
<Admin Note: Thread Closed>
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Author: avidya
Date: 05-11-06 01:20
Waheguruji Ka Khalsa Waheguruji Ki Fateh
Dear Admins,
You have ended the debate without allowing a challenge to the truely slanderous allegations against Bahadur Singh. Since I know him I would like to point out that;
-he does not believe 'keeping rehit is akin to idol worship'. He keeps rehit himself and I'd imagine that what he stated was that he believes AKJ make an idol out of rehit.
- Yes, he has been known to swear much akin to our Bhai Kulbeer Singh Ji who used equally bad language to describe Shah Rukh Khan on this forum if I remember correctly.
- The 'claims to be a Nirmala' implies he isn't. I can personally vouch for the fact that he has been initiated into the Nirmala Samparday.
- Bahadur Singh has also taken amrit.
- Bahadur Singh has not studied with Harjot Oberoi, and is openly critical of some aspects of his work. Another myth.
As for the other comments they sound pretty frivolous. I really don't know what making eyes at girls means. If that means looking at them and smiling then I guess he probably is guilty.
I have not spoken to Bahadur Singh about this and he may even tell me off for attempting to defend him against idiots with agendas, but I feel it is the reponsibility of this forum as gurmukhs, as witnesses to truth to actively counter lies and false propoganda. It is one thing to have a position on the revivial in puratan Sikhi, quite another to endorse the propogation of lies and slander by functioning as a platform for them.
thank you
<Admin Note: There was more than enough time for you to respond before the thread was closed. We can wait a couple of days for a response, but we are not allknowing and cannot predict whether someone will respond to any particular point.>
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Author: Someone
Date: 05-11-06 13:54
Man you guys are stupid, its ok to have Thudhi Jaatha preforming at Gurdwaray, but having booliyah is a no no. Hmmmm. Man you guys are good at Sikhi its unbelievable! LOL.
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Author: kiran
Date: 05-11-06 15:59
You guys have nothin better to do??
You petty petty people, i just can't believe it!!... honestly?? I've spoken to a few people and after all this hostility (as oposed to discussing it with pyar) can only bring us to the decision that we would be better off as monas and cut our hair than be a part of your narrow mindedness... I'd rather get out of Sikhi than chill with ignorant people like yourselves... I know for a fact people have done that and they only blame people like YOURSELVES for driving them out of Sikhi in the first place. Thats a fact. Get it in your heads.
to the person who wrote the above all id like to say is go ahead, if u dnt wana be apart of sikhi then dont be. no1 is to blame for some1 leaving sikhi or any other religion for that matter its the persons own fault because religion isnt dependant on others u have ur own relationship with god so y duz it matter who is doing what around u.
to the girl that was saying the midland ppl were loud and in ya face.... well that could be because half the london gals were QUIETLY chatting up and gettin off wid nxt mans. and by the way not all of us were loud and in ya face.
to evry1 whos dissing the camp..... i couldnt care less........ ive only been there once and thought it was great. obviosly there are negative aspecys of everyting but on the whole it was realy good and i learnt alot.
whoever wants 2 diss bob etc all i can say is u dnt knw how much effort they put into the camp so until u can do the same.... shut up and dont put down other people.
the bonfire was actually really good because it brought every1 together and for the people who got scared like i told u that nite GET A GRIP. u wouldnt be scared if people were shoutin at a firework display but a bonfire with simran is scary.... rightttttttttttttttttttttt okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
i think thats all i gotta say for now cyaaaaaa
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Author: Hurt Kaur
Date: 05-12-06 06:41
Sikhi camp is such a beautiful idea to educate youth about Sikhism. It's fantastic Seva which many people who have time to waste only on internet forums would never make time for.
So what if a Mona was to stand and talk? He was hosting it because he's a good public speaker, not to say "hey everyone I've cut my hair please cut yours".
I think it's sad that you're all so quick to discourage and find faults in this.
This forum reeks of segregation which is NOT what Sikhi is about.
Please bear in mind that not every Sikh has Amritdhari parents or strong Sikh Sangat in their local communities. Sikh camp works as an effective eye opener for people who call themselves Sikh because their parents do. Every Sikh has different knowledge of Sikhi and that should be respected by people in this forum who are critisicing everything they possibly can.
Why are you not putting forward positive suggestions to improve the camp? Because you may then be asked to implement it? And that's too much effort?
Sit back and criticise from your bedrooms and feel good about it. That'll make you a good Sikh.
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Author: GS
Date: 05-12-06 08:29
FAO gupt singhni and others criticising
Why are you using a message board to air your "traumas" at Sikh camp? Bit pointless don't you think unless you feel unconstructive criticism will change things for the better?
Wouldn't it have been wiser to air your concerns with the Sevadaars at the camp? All of this public slandering is such a waste of energy. Instead of trying to unite and make things better, we feel the need to make things worse and cause more divisions. What have you acheived with your "professional review" of the camp you attended? You have made our brothers and sisters turn on each other, well done.
I can only imagine what is actually involved with organising these camps. Controlling all those youths with different levels of understanding of Sikhi. Not an easy task and things will never be perfect.
Trying to please everyone is nearly impossible in every situation, but if there is something particualr you want or don't want to see, then tell someone about it, at work, home or even camp! Don't bring down peoples efforts 8 months later and confuse a new generation of Sikhs into which camp they should or should not attend. Every individual will feel differently about every camp, one is not better than the other, only more suitable for each individual.
If you feel more female Sevadaars are needed then why not volunteer yourself? You may find that 8 months later someone is attacking you on a similar message board for a slip up you might have made. How would you feel then?
Plus what's with all this video footage going around about boliyaan etc... Are people purposely going to these camps to find flaws and make others look bad? Is this the Sikhi way? Instead of filming and distributing this "sin of all sins", why not tell those involved to just simply stop??? Those involved in distrubiting this stuff should be ashamed of themselves, look at the damage you are causing.
This judging of others that you guys are doing is just as bad as everything else going on and completely contrary to Sikhi too. So guess what, your not perfect either it seems.
The Sevadaars and the campers are all taking steps towards Guru Ji. That's more than most of our youth out there, who are spending their summers doing nothing. Shouldn't we focus on this positive side rather than analysing (and filming!!!) their individual imperfections?
People please stop all this needless criticism, is anything good actually coming from it? No. We are only making ourselves look bad as a whole community.
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Author: Duh
Date: 05-12-06 10:47
What are you on about?!? How can a camp which is trying to promote itself by putting other camps down talk about unity and not judging people!?
Where has Khalsa Camp organisers or sikhi camp organisers dissed student camp on their website of promotional material?!?! ONLY student camp has said anything about other camps i.e. that they are judgemental based on jatha caste etc!
So before you come on here talking all about unity and tellin people here that we shouldnt judge others, maybe you should tell the camp orgnaisers the same thing!!! If the camp organisers can promote their camp like this u can only guess what they are gona be telling the people there about the other camps!!
you guys act so beachare bechare but look at your actions! Have a look at how u are promting urself! if u need to diss other gursikh camps jus so that u get people coming to urs, dude thats so insecure and sad! get a grip on life!
makes me laugh how they say one thing and in action are doing something else!!!
it shouldnt even be about us and them, wats right is right and wats rong is rong, why cant they jus admit it that the camp has made mistakes and move on!!
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Author: G.S.
Date: 05-12-06 12:31
with regard to the ekta site, sources say it has not been taken over by anyone but is still run by the same chap. The reason he hosts the sikh student camp is because he has beef with BOSS and is sucking up to nihangs, in london, to gain friends because his credibility has been ruined in the midlands. His animosity can be recognised in the posts he made a few months back on the sikhsangat forum.
Rab Rakha
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Author: singh
Date: 05-12-06 13:01
You guys can have a go at those complianing at the camp. But the fact is that people clearly have a positive impact at khalsa camp and sikhi camp. people only seem to have a problem with sikh student camp.
bob should not have split Boss with lies and politics and then the two sikhi camps would have been together.
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Author: GS
Date: 05-12-06 14:20
Dear Duh
Point proven. Did you read what was written. Clearly said that no camp is better than the other, this is down to the individual to decide. The only people going on about which camp is better than the rest is you. I advise people to go to all the camps and choose for themselves which one is best. These camps are not a business, nobody benefits from an individual going to one camp over the other. Why the competition?
My message about unity and not judging was aimed at everyone, please read before you reply, your just making things worse. Very simple.
You seem so against Sikh Student camp because of their promotional methods, but look at your own actions. You are clearly promoting the other camps by putting Sikh Student camp down on this website. Doesn't that make you a hypocrite? Now are you saying one thing but doing another? Sikh student camp didn't make any mistakes, individuals did. These individuals could quite have easily gone to one of the other camps and done the same things. No need to drag the entire camp down is there?
Lets make this very clear, I am for promoting all camps. People, go to every single camp, make up your own minds. The message should be the same whichever one you go to. Then if you're bored come to this website and criticise all of them equally... sound fair? Yeah, great plan.
No bias here, no promotion, no favouritism. Just wake up and see the harm you are doing to the community.
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Author: oh dear
Date: 05-12-06 15:12
> whoever wants 2 diss bob etc all i can say is u dnt knw how
> much effort they put into the camp so until u can do the
> same.... shut up and dont put down other people.
Sorry to burst ur bubble about bob....he doesnt organise anything, he jus turns up and ruins the camp with his presence.
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Author: amazed and disappointed
Date: 05-12-06 15:46
there was i thinking tapoban admins had finally DONE THE RIGHT THING and closed this thread down, but they open it back up again. This is just silly politics with mudslinging and i cant believe a forum i loved so much has gone down this route. It was a good discussion until the mudslinging kicked in and people started throwing punches.
Come on admin - enough is enough.
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Author: oh and another thing
Date: 05-12-06 16:17
so what if he has beef with BOSS? So do a LOT of people ... a lot of "PANTHIC" people also, before anyone says "its just nangs". Even Boota Singh, a ck singh from the midlands area who teaches gatka, puts down BOSS!
heres food for thought - dont u find it a tad bit strange, that an organisation who started their own website against the e1 guy suddenly just took it down and let him carry on as normal? im sure on sikhsangat their were claims of character assasination and jealousy and this is becoming evident to me anyway.
neway, its good the e1 guy is still running the site - shows he aint afraid to admit to mistakes, overcome them, and move on ... u lot should all try the same. This is bad for Sikhi to air such things on the internet. I think you all forget that SIKHS ARENT THE ONLY ONES THAT ACCESS THE INTERNET! No wonder Bollywood takes the piss out of sikhs - i can see why! Everyone is just blatently revealing ALL the problems in the panth out to the public on a MASS scale via the internet ! lol
as for sikhstudent camp - we get the picture and i dont think this thread is really going anywhere. Its up to people to make up their own minds now which camp they want to go to. If you want to do something about the camp, speak to the Gurdwaras involved, speak to the commitees involved, gain support from proper panthic organisations officially and get the camp thrown out if u r that concerned by it.
anyway, if admins listen to requests to close threads... this is one.. humbly...
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Author: lol
Date: 05-13-06 09:33
Author: oh dear
Date: 05-12-06 15:12
> whoever wants 2 diss bob etc all i can say is u dnt knw how
> much effort they put into the camp so until u can do the
> same.... shut up and dont put down other people.
Sorry to burst ur bubble about bob....he doesnt organise anything, he jus turns up and ruins the camp with his presence.
lol
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Author: MUNMAT!
Date: 05-13-06 09:55
its not mud slinging or anything of that sort when you have people spreading munmat. bob - black magic, no need for paat, theres so much stuff up there all ready. stuff happens at that camp that is not speakable. <Admin Cut>
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Author: mr singh
Date: 05-13-06 10:16
Avidya, sticking up for his nang friends again. Bahudar, the nirNANGulla, is one of hte dirtiest guys around. He's also known as laleshvari, or some name like that on various forums. Dirty.
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Author: please.....
Date: 05-13-06 10:25
Hurt kaur, it sucks that you're hurt by this. But the truth does hurt. See, few people have a problem with people new to sikhi holding camps or attending them. If this were just any random bunch of people doing this, nobody would care. The problem is that you have a certain group of people who are not trusted or liked by many people. They have a proven track record of spreading propoganda and are not the shining examples of sikhi that they portray themselves to be. In fact, they are quite the opposite. They spread a message very similar to the RSS and are anti panthic. You may or may not know this. If you don't, then I genuinely feel bad for you. If you do know this, then I can't sympathise with you.
You try to act like bleeding hearts when somebody exposes these people, but what happens to you when these nangs attack everyone else? When they attack the very roots of sikhi? As long as these nangs (Bob, kamalroop, etc) are involved with this camp or any other, people will criticise it and ridicule it. Expect it. These men have shown themselves over and over to be anti panthic, anti sikh and just plain filthy in their thinking. They deserve a lot worse than simply being talked about. You go to a camp with filthy people, then filth will fly.
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Author: Duh
Date: 05-13-06 11:07
Erm wake up, people who go the different camps are discussing the pro's and the con's.
To date the ONLY CAMP to put down other camps via their website and promotional material is the student one.
Simple
And the ektaone issue is something most people have no real idea about. had it been your sister on the recieving end im sure it would have been different hey? The fact that the people involved included some of the most respected singhs and singhnis from all jathe and from across the country speaks volumes. The fact that these guys think the issue was dealt with and didnt publicly make any declarations says more about them then 'the conspiracy theory guys'.
just shocking that year after year it is the same camp and the same guys that bring shame on UK camps. i hope the guys in the us canada and europe etc dont ever get fools like this on their doorsteps!
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Author: Baldev Singh
Date: 05-13-06 15:04
is it right for someone who beleives in
hum ni chungay
bora nahi koi
to be calling other people disgusting, filthy, dirty, nang etc. ?
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Author: waheguru
Date: 05-14-06 07:33
i go to this camp
waheguru waheguru waheguru ji
omg
i cant believe this waheguru
how can they be so $£^$E%&^%* waheguru
all i can say is waheguru
:O
im shocked
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Author: A Singh
Date: 05-15-06 02:30
<<go to a camp with filthy people, then filth will fly.>>
Gosh - and there I was under the impression that I was the only Katarvadi Brahmin on this forum!!!
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Author: tableji
Date: 05-15-06 06:34
i am i no way condoning what happens at Sikhstudent camp, having been there once 3 years ago.
we point at them when they are doing things, hypocritically i might add, because deep within us, where no1 can see, where we cannot be caught or we think we are safe from exposure, we do exactly the same thing.
whats worse is we keep on pointin the finger at others and say that they are bad, when we are no better. We make no concious efforts to fix those errors within us either, and we keep on pointing at them.
This is the duality we all live in. We live a dual life, one in sangat, and one personal. In sangat we behave as we like to be seen, as a gurmukh, but in private where we are left to our own thoughts and devices, we scheme with our five, to find ways to feed those pleasures.
Our only boundary being that we are sure we are safe from being exposed.
If we wish to save sangat or to sort sangat out, then we shud look at ourselves 1st and sort outselves out 1st, so that we are an example to others.
Ppl will always do parchar, and each person has their own view points. Used to happen in the times of the Gurus, with the followers of Ram Rai, and other expelled members.
Yet, none of the Gurus ever struck them down. Guruji continued with their own parchaar, and let the sangat decide for themselves which path they wish to follow.
I think we should take a huge example from this. Save urself before u can save others. If u wish to use the thukh
"naam japo avrai naam japavo"
then be that person who is doing naam jap, who is bringing sikhi concepts and gurmat into their lives, so that you can be worthy enuff, so u can be a guru ka sikh, that guruji talks about
"jo desai gursikhera tis niv niv lago paiy jeo"
be that gursikh, then help others become, instead of looking at other ppls avgun and becoming engrossed in them.
What tends to happen is we concentrate on others faults especially on the ones that primary exist within ourselves.
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Author: daas
Date: 05-15-06 11:37
very simple, but very wise and very true gul badev singh
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Author: A Singh
Date: 05-15-06 13:52
The wise tableji has spoken...
...indeed in the Vedas, there is mention of a man who wished to change the world in his youth, then his family once he married (settling for less, since his time was less now), then his wife as his kids got married off (since his time decreased further) and eventually before he is about to die, he realises...
...if during my youth, I had focused on improving myself as a person, then I may have influenced others around me, (at the very least) my wife before we had our own family, then she together with me, would have influenced our children, who would have influenced each other by the example set, their friends and so on...and just maybe, as this process continued with my age, by the time I died, I could have influenced and changed the world...
..of course, Guru Sahib emcompasses all of this in the very short: "Mun Jeetey, Jug Jeet"...
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Author: :-)
Date: 05-16-06 03:51
"Sach Kahoon Sun leyo sabey, jin prem kiyo tin hi prub paiyo". ( forgive for syntax mistake)
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Author: Admin
Date: 05-16-06 14:12
Thread closed.
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