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Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: Panthic.org (IP Logged)
Date: October 12, 2007 07:04AM

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Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Wednesday 10th of October 2007
Panthic Weekly News Bureau

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Ex-communicated editor of The Spokesman, Joginder Sawney

*Respect of Guru Granth Sahib during printing or trasport not required
*Jaap Sahib called unnecessary
*Chaupai Sahib called Kanjar Kavita
*No Need for Akhand Paths, Sahij Paths, or Panthic Ardaas

Chandigarh, Punjab (KP) - It seems Joginder Sawney, the ex-communicated editor of the Spokesman, is at it again. For the past several weeks, the editorials and columns in this controversial daily have accelerated attacks on the fundamentals of Sikhi, including Nitnem Banis, Ardaas, and even basic respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Last week, when sewadars (volunteers) of the Guru Granth Sahib Satkar Committee rounded up associates of the Chattar Singh Jiwan Singh Publishing firm for disrespecting the Holy Saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and violating Sri Akal Takht Sahibs HukamaNamas, Joginder Sawney quickly published an editorial criticizing the actions of the sewadars.

No Need for extra Respect : Joginder Sawney

While the Satkar Committee sewadars' brave actions were applauded by Panthic organizations, Joginder Sawney, showed his real face in this blasphemous editorial criticizing the Satkar Committee as individuals from the stone age, and openly stated that the Holy Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji did not require any special respect (satkar) during publishing, bindings, and transportation (the editor rudely refers to this as 'dhoa dhoa-ee') . The ex-communicated Sawney further stated that Guru Granth Sahib Jis saroops only required respect when a saroop is parkash in the presence of Sangat; otherwise no special respect is required.


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(Sept 8th: A Mockery of Respect)

The editor went on and compared Guru Granth Sahib Ji to the Christian Bible and the Islamic Koran and concluded that if Christians and Muslims were allowed to carry around their holy books, why were there restrictions being put on Sikhs, clearly hinting that Sikhs should be able to carry the Holy Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji like an ordinary book. The editor also degrades the chaur and palki as a sign of reverence, stating their 'staged' use in respecting the 'Shabd Guru' often becomes a point of mockery by other religions.

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Jaap Sahib called unnecessary, Chaupai Sahib called Kanjar Kavita



(Sept 31st: Jaap Sahib unnecesarily being promoted, and inference that Chaupai Sahib is Kanjar Kavita)

Spokesman has openly ridiculed the sacred Bani of Jaap Sahib, written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. In the September 31st supplemental issue of the Spokeman known as "Bahurangee", a column by Harlaj Singh stated that "Jaap Sahib" is unnecessarily being promoted as "Amrit di Bani" (Bani that is read during the Amrit-Sanchar) and indirectly states that the lowly Kanjar Kavita (poetry of prostitutes) , hinting at Chaupai Sahib, is being pushed into the mouth of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It also stated that those who think that without Jaap Sahib there can be no Amrit are just uttering bakwaas (gibberish).


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(Sept 31st: Sikhi and Amrit without Jaap Sahib)

No Need for Akhand Paths, Sahej Paths, or Panthic Ardaas

A set of articles published in the Spokesman on November 8th and November 9th promoted the fact that during an antim sanskar of an elderly Sikh lady from Jammu, no Akhand Path, Sehaj Path, or Kirtan was performed as the final rites before the cremation. The articled labeled the practice of reciting Akhand Path and Sehaj Path as bipparvaad and totta-rattan. This pair of disparaging articles also flaunted that a new type of ardaas was performed in accordance to Tat-Gurmat. This ardaas had the entire first stanza of the Panthic Ardaas (Prittham Bhagauti Simar Kai) along with the entire section mentioning the 4 Sahibzadas, 5 Piraras, Sikh Takhts, Jhanday, Bungays removed. The ardaas was started from "Nimaniay day Man, Nitania day Taan" and the author deemed the preceding parts unnecessary.


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(Oct 8th and 9th : Paath, Kirtan, Nitname = Brahmani Vichaar and Tota Rattan)

Local Reaction from the Jammu Sangat

Panthic Weekly correspondents contacted local GurSikh sewadars in Jammu who were familiar with the Jammu incident. The sewadars stated that when the local Sangat and Sikh organizations realized that the family was breaching and distorting Panthic Maryada they were severely scorned for their un-Sikh behavior. According to a local GurSikh, the family members of the deceased were at one time practicing Sikhs, but have now become sidetracked under the influence of ex-communicated heretic Gurbaksh Kala-Afghana, and no longer practiced Gurmat.

Due to their anti-Panthic behavior, this family has been virtually cut-off and isolated from the rest of the Jammu Sikh community who wants nothing to do with them. Local Sikh organizations stressed that even though this was an isolated case, there is a lot of resentment against Kala-Afghana and the Spokesman due to this latest incident. They vowed not to allow the "twisted mis-parchar of these naastics" in their area.

Panthic Weekly readers may recall that Kala-Afghana was besieged by Panthic organizations during his last visit to Jammu several years ago, forcing him to go into hiding.

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Re: Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: kulbir singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 12, 2007 01:00PM

The kind of words this person Joginder has used for Benti Chaupai is sickening. What sane person can use such language for such beautiful and divine Baani. I don't understand what wrong has he viewed in Benti Chaupai. Similarly, why are these people so hell-bent on opposing Siri Jaap Sahib. Even Bhat Singh Ambala who was a staunch opponent of Dasam Granth was not against Siri Jaap Sahib and Akal Ustat and accepted these baanis. What's the matter with Joginder. It seems like these people have some hidden agenda.

I appreciate Panthic.org for exposing these anti-panthik people.

Kulbir Singh

 



Re: Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: australiansingh (IP Logged)
Date: October 12, 2007 02:33PM

Vaheguroo

I dont know why they have problem with Sri Jaap Sahib.... I know there is a big controversy in our panth about 405 Charitar due to which these people oppose benti choupai....

May vaheguroo bless his panth with solution on controversial issues like Raag Maalaaa and 405 Charitar.....

Daas do benti chaoupai paath with full shardaa but still cant believe 405 charitar were written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj... i got shocked reading the meaning of some charitars....

May Vaheguroo bless us all

 



Re: Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: harveen_singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 12, 2007 04:44PM

vahegurooo,
look at this guys state first....who does he think he is, such disrespect.
i qonder what his excuses will be when he has to give lekha..

jagat jalandha rakh lai, apnee kirpa dhaar.. vahegurooo!!!

 



Re: Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: October 12, 2007 05:27PM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Khalsa jio,

For this person logic is very simple. As Guru Sahib say

rogI ky Bwxy sB rogI

ievy hI gurU kI bwxI nMU kMzr kihx vwlw Kud hI kMzr hY[






Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: October 25, 2007 05:24PM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Khalsa jio,

What happened to so called Panthic organizations who are now supporting this guy on his offices broke down by other person like him. What happened to their spirit? why supporting someone who is against Gurbani and it's philosophy and went against Sri Akal Takhat Sahib. We knew about this guy's Sikhi since when he published a praised story about 12 years ago in his monthly magazine (at that time it was monthly only) for one of the ਲੱਚਰ singer Dalair Mehandi as a proud for Sikhs. Reading that one of our Singhni wrote him back about this shameful article but this guy did not stop and we knew one day this guy will be shame full for all of us but at that time no one cared and result is before us.

Any way we have ਰੋਸ upon so called panthic organizations who are supporting him.

Guru Mehar karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: Spokesman Continues to Spew Anti-Panthic Poison
Posted by: Marad Khalsa (IP Logged)
Date: October 26, 2007 12:20AM

Khalsa spirit ji.gurfateh.
Maybe the realities on the ground in Punjab are changing...and that why the Panthic Organsiations are shifting their stand ??? IF the spokesman was really "dying" and not supported by the people who buy it....as the Jathedars would want us to beleive...then no need to worry..it will die a natural death.
Spokesman is exposing more maryada failures daily than all the 50 years of panthic organsiations put together..so who is better sikh ? for me its spokesman...and others are finding it out as well...i read it daily without fail on the internet and make DVDs of its files and distribute all over the region- however anything nati SGGS i cut out..so far absolutley very little to cut out.
In my region just one year ago not many knew about spokesman..now all those who know Punjabi read it daily..and when the English edition begins..wo knows how much its circulation will explode...soemthign the "Panthic Org " peopel need to counter soon as their website is in English and will get a run for its moeny from english spokesman..





Khalsaspirit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Waheguru ji ka khalsa
> Waheguru ji ki fateh
>
> Khalsa jio,
>
> What happened to so called Panthic organizations
> who are now supporting this guy on his offices
> broke down by other person like him. What happened
> to their spirit? why supporting someone who is
> against Gurbani and it's philosophy and went
> against Sri Akal Takhat Sahib. We knew about this
> guy's Sikhi since when he published a praised
> story about 12 years ago in his monthly magazine
> (at that time it was monthly only) for one of the
> ਲੱਚਰ singer Dalair Mehandi as a proud for
> Sikhs. Reading that one of our Singhni wrote him
> back about this shameful article but this guy did
> not stop and we knew one day this guy will be
> shame full for all of us but at that time no one
> cared and result is before us.
>
> Any way we have ਰੋਸ upon so called panthic
> organizations who are supporting him.
>
> Guru Mehar karay
>
> Waheguru ji ka khalsa
> Waheguru ji ki fateh

 





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