ARCHIVED FORUM: Gurdwara Tapoban Sahib
Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Admin
Date: 7/16/2004 10:33 am
This is an important account of Bhai Manee Singh jee's shaheedee, with every detail, as it was witnessed by Bhai Rattan Singh's father, Bhai Rai Singh.
Eye Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
From Panth Parkash by Rattan Singh Bhangoo
Translated by Admin www.tapoban.org
[img]http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/images/portraits/bmani.jpg[/img]
Introduction
Bhai Manee Singh jee was a very wise Gursikh who was respected by the entire Sikh community. He was a very committed naam abhyaasee and besides being very spiritual was very knowledgeable as well. His entire life was moulded by Satguru jee's baaNee.
Bhai Manee Singh jee stayed with Satguru jee and Satguru jee used to call him "Maneeaa". Because of his time with Guru jee, his Sikhi was very strong. When Guru jee used to finish eating, Bhai Manee Singh jee used to eat the leftovers. Bhai Sahib was very stubborn and whatever he set his mind to do, he would do it no matter what.
Bhai Sahib would teach other Gursikhs about Sikhi and if a Sikh made a mistake, he would summon him to the Akaal Takhat and have him punished. Just like Sikhs were inducted earlier by Baba Buddha jee, in the same way, later on, Bhai Manee Singh would teach the Sikhs about Sikhi. He taught all castes and classes without discrimination. Bhai Manee Singh would teach history and also explain baaNee.
Bhai Manee Singh jee had accompanied Mata Sundari jee to Delhi but was sent back to Sree Amritsar Sahib so that he could start a Langar at Sree Darbaar Sahib. He organised all this and where before all money would be sent to the Guru's treasury, now it was all used in the langar for the Khalsa. This was done because Guru Sahib had said he loved the Khalsa and serving the Khalsa was the greatest deed of all.
The Mistake and Curse
Bhai Manee Singh decided once to separate Guru Granth Sahib jee (some say this means that he changed the order of the baaNee and others say this means he made gutkaas and pothees. There is a Granth in Delhi attributed to Bhai Manee Singh in which the baaNee is divided not according to raag, but according to each Guru and then according to each Bhagat so this seems most likely the mistake that was made.) The sangat heard of this and was outraged and said that just like Bhai Manee Singh has cut the baaNee apart, he too should be cut to pieces for his mistake. They told Bhai Sahib, "Bhai Manee Singh! You too will be cut apart like this!".
Bhai Manee Singh was cursed for splitting up Guru Granth Sahib jee's beeR. News of this curse soon reached Bhai Manee Singh. Bhai Manee Singh was saddened and said that he had split the beeR for what he thought was a good cause but he had instead been cursed. At the same time Bhai Sahib recognised that the Sangat's word would not go empty. The Sangat's words have power and what they had said would certainly happen. He accepted that what the sangat had said would happen no matter what.
Bhai Sahib jee went to the Akaal Takhat where the Sangat had gathered and with folded hands stood before them. He said, "Khalsa jee, please forgive me for the sin I have committed. Because there is no difference between the Guru and the Guru's Sangat, only you can now forgive me. I accept the decision of the Sangat. Khalsa jee! I will fulfil the words of the Sangat with all my power, but please do ardaas for me that my Sikhi is not stained and remains intact until my final breaths. And please also do this ardaas, that when I am cut apart, may I not feel any pain and may I not even notice any difference. If I feel pain and then cry out, my Sikhi will be stained. May there be no effect on my Sikhi and may Guru Sahib come to my help so that I may pass this test. If this all happens, then I will feel happy that my Sikhi has remained intact and I did not falter."
"I don't need my body if my Sikhi is intact and uneffected. I don't mind then if I am cut apart. The body comes and goes but Sikhi is rare and if I lose it, I will not get it again."
The Singhs accepted Bhai Sahib's request and five Singhs from the Sangat rose and did the ardaas. They asked that Bhai Sahib's Sikhi should remain intact. Guru Sahib always accepts his Singhs' ardaas and thus this too was accepted. Bhai Sahib was now satisfied and he returned to his happy state and his face once again began to glow.
Festival at Divali
Some years passed. Bhai Manee Singh decided that he would organise a large gathering at Divali. He spoke with the Mughals and asked that the Sangat not be harassed when they were coming to Amritsar. The Mughals agreed but demanded that Bhai Sahib pay them 10 000 Rupees at the end of the festival. The Nawab of Lahore told Bhai Manee Singh that he need not fear and the Sangat would not be harassed.
Bhai Manee Singh sent letters to all the Khalsa Sangat and invited them to Amritsar for the Divali festival. The Khalsa arrived and set up camp. At this point, an enemy of the Khalsa, Lakhpat Rai spoke with the Nawab and said that when the Singhs would leave, they would certainly cause problems and chaos. They will certainly kill someone.
The Nawab was convinced to send his army to Amritsar. Lakhpat Rai was sent with the army so he could direct their actions. Lakhpat Rai was given instructions by the Nawab that if the Singhs did not cause trouble, he should not harass them and let them have their festival and leave. Just seeing the army, he expected the Singhs would behave.
Although Lakhpat Rai was given these instructions, he was still opposed to the Singhs and wanted some way to kill them. It was natural at any rate that sending the Mughal army would result in some trouble. Just like gunpowder and fire coming together always results in an explosion, the same way the meeting of the Mughal and Sikh armies also HAD to result in problems. The Singhs heard that the army had come from Lahore and wondered why they had come at the time of the festival. They suspected that an attack was imminent. The Singhs began to leave Amritsar. Some did not even do ishnaan and left immediately. They also turned back the Singhs who were on route to the festival.
If there was no Sangat, then of course there could be no money collected and thus the money owed to the Mughals could not be paid. The time for Bhai Manee Singh to be cut to pieces had arrived. He too understood this was the time for the Sangat's words to come true. Most Singhs had left Sree Amritsar but some decided to stay with Bhai Sahib such as Bhai Bhoop Singhand Bhai Gulzaar Singh.
Arrest
As the Singhs were leaving Amritsar, they made some attacks on the Mughals and killed some Chaudris (village heads) as well. When Lakhpat Rai arrived, he arrested all the Singhs he could find and blamed them for the trouble the other retreating Singhs had caused. Bhai Manee Singh and others were arrested and brought before the Nawab of Lahore. The Nawab demanded that Bhai Manee Singh pay the 10 000 Rupees he had promised. Bhai Manee Singh refused and said that he would not pay a cent since the government had broken the agreement by sending the army. Some rich businessmen and local Sikhs asked that they be allowed to pay the fine, but Bhai Sahib forbid them from doing so. Bhai Sahib said that even if he had the money, he still would not pay such an unjust fine. Bhai Sahib knew his time had arrived and decided that he would not show any weakness now. He was ready for shaheedee and ready to fulfil the words of the Sangat.
Bhai Manee Singh told the Nawab that he had no money and would pay nothing and that if he wanted, he could take his life. The Sangat was desperate to save Bhai Sahib's life and brought sacks filled with money but Bhai Sahib refused to let the Sangat pay the fine. The Nawab was furious that Bhai Sahib would not agree even though money was available to pay. He called the Kazis and Mullahs and asked them what punishment Bhai Manee Singh should be given. They replied that there were only two options: either Bhai Sahib pay the fine and if not, he should accept Islam. The Nawab asked Bhai Manee Singh to embrace Islam and he would then be forgiven. Bhai Sahib replied, "Why would we leave the Sikh faith? We will never lose this. It shall remain with us until our final breath. What is this one life? Even if I had to sacrifice countless lives in return for Sikhi it would be a good bargain. We would lose countless lives for the Sikh faith."
The Nawab then asked the Kazis the method by which the Singhs would be executed. The Kazi told the Mufti to announce the sentence that Bhai Manee Singh would be cut to pieces, joint by joint. The whole world should be shown how severe the punishment is for such an offence. Bhai Manee Singh had expected such a decision as the words of the Sangat would one day certainly be fulfilled.
Shaheedee
Bhai Manee Singh was handed over to the executioners who took him to Lahore's Nikhaas Chownk, where he was to be publicly executed. Bhai Sahib was seated and the executioner took his place as well. Bhai Sahib asked the executioner, "Which are the joints you will cut?" The executioner replied, "There are four: your two arms and two legs. I will cut your arms and legs from your torso."
Bhai Manee Singh replied, "Executioner! You don't understand the concept of "joint-by-joint" then. Don't you know that the body has many many joints? You prepare yourself to cut and I will direct you where to cut myself. As I tell you, you will wield your knife there."
Bhai Manee Singh put his hand forward and directed that his each finger be cut at the three joints. He himself began to recite baaNee and explained everything with signals. Each finger was cut in three and then the executioner arrived at the wrist, which was also cut off. The executioner wanted to then move to the shoulder, but Bhai Manee Singh thrust his elbow forward and demanded it be cut first. The elbow was cut and then the shoulder. Bhai Sahib then handed his left arm to the executioner and it too was cut in the same way, starting with the thumb. Next Bhai Sahib put his foot forward, which was also cut piece by piece. The executioner had now moved to Bhai Sahib's knee, which was also cut.
A Mughal soldier was watching all this and was shocked. He was having trouble watching all this. He was terrified. He began to fear that if such a person uttered a curse on his executioners or the rulers, it would certainly come to be. Only a very spiritually powerful person could undergo such an execution and if he cursed the Mughals, it would mean disaster. He withdrew his sword and with a single blow cut Bhai Sahib's head from his body. Bhai Sahib was at that moment reciting baaNee and was feeling no pain at all. When the sword struck his neck, Bhai Sahib was uttering, "Neh kichh janmai, neh kichh marai. Aapan chalit app hee karai." Bhai Sahib's Sikhee had remained intact through his final breaths
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : $ÍÑGHZ "®" |<|ÑGZ
Date: 7/16/2004 3:40 pm
but didnt he finish reciting sukhmani saahib? i've heard that his voice was coming from all the pieces/body parts until he finished sukhmani saahib.
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Singh
Date: 7/16/2004 5:08 pm
"There is a Granth in Delhi attributed to Bhai Manee Singh in which the baaNee is divided not according to raag, but according to each Guru and then according to each Bhagat so this seems most likely the mistake that was made."
Who has this Bir Sahib? name of a person and how did he get this Bir? This is most ridiculous story I have ever read. Bhai Sahib was a great Gursikh. He stayed with Guru Ji since childhood and very well knew that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the true Guru. Bhai Sahib did seva of writing Bani. If he really wanted to divide it he would have asked Guru Ji himself why not write Bani according to Gurus and not raags. Bhai Sahib also knew how Bani was written in Kartarpuri Bir. If Bhai Sahib Ji wanted to divide bani after Guru Ji went to Sachkhand then why didn't anyone stop him? where did he do it? he was Granthi of Darbar Sahib and surely he wasn't alone living there. he respected Bani so much and he kept it the way Guru Gobind Singh Ji told him to write it. Furthermore, Bhai Sahib Ji always used to write to Mata Ji in Delhi and tell her the news in Punjab. He would've told Mata Ji about this before doing it. You think this thought just came to his mind and he did it. What year did he do it in? Or is it like your raag maala excuses "someone added it afterwards" no name of a person is known, no date or year and no place. provide details. this story is fake and written only to malign Bhai Sahib's Shaheedi.
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : singh
Date: 7/16/2004 6:08 pm
I've read about that delhi saroop. I think Pashaura Singh or Gurinder Mann have written about it as well. This story is fairly common frankly. And after reading the story, I hardly see it as being slanderous or maligning Bhai Mani Singh. It clearly shows him as a hero. I think you need to calm down and take a few deep breaths.
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Singh
Date: 7/16/2004 11:41 pm
His shaheedi makes him a great hero but that story is fake because it tells that Bhai Sahib got Shaheedi because he did a stupid thing and made a mistake by insulting Gurbani. Guru Gobind Singh Ji killing goats in 1699 is a common story too. do you believe in that too? and none of my questions are answered.
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/16/2004 11:59 pm
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
The sangat "curses" and the MOGHUL GOVT carries out this so called curse....... what a beautiful way to EXONERATE the Moghul Govt over Bhai Mani Singh Ji's BEMISAAL Shaheedee.
IF the sangat had alreeady CURSED....there is NO WAY the curse could be CANCELLED... so WHAT could the Moghul Govt do ??? except to CARRY out the WISHES of the SANGAT ???
Being" fairly common".....doesnt qualify as ABSOLUTE PROOF...there are a lot of sakhis even more "fairly common" and they dont stand the Kaswatti of GURBANI.
This Sakhi doesnt stand the Kaswatti of GURBANI..... the GURU is 20 visweh and the Sangat is 21 Visweh.... thus the SANGAT has an even greater RESPONSIBILITY than the GURU Himself.... and GURU JI has never cursed anyone....and neither can the Guru's SANGAT. NO Famous SIKH of the GURU is on record as having CURSED anyone else.
Yes, the Sadhus, sants, holy men, DEVTAS and RISHIS, etc etc in HINDU LITERATURE ALWAYS CURSE their opponents and those who annoy them even a little bit.... and such CURSES are always UNABLE to be RECTIFIED by ANYONE.....Once the fateful curse has escaped the MOUTh of the CURSER....it is SURE CERTAINTY 100%+++++++ to happen exactly as it is.
I have great difficulty "swallowing" this sakhi as it is...NO WAY a great scholar like Bhai mani Singh would commit a serious mistake.... and NO WAY would the SANGAT make an even more SERIOUS BLUNDER by placing such a horrible CURSE on a Jiwan Mukt like Bhai mani Singh....all this lets the MOGHULS go SCOTT FREE.... what a trversty of Justice.
Dass jarnail Singh
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Singh
Date: 7/17/2004 1:45 pm
Jarnail Singh Ji with all due respect I disagree with your saying that Sangat is 21 visweh. This is a common thing preachers say but this is not true. Guru is 20 visweh. In old time everything was according to numbers like "16 annay sachi gall kahee" and land was measured according to 20. Guru is 20 which means Guru is complete or Poora Guru. There cannot be a sangat without Guru. Guru created Sangat and thus creation cannot be greater than creator. If there is no Guru there is no Sangat. Guru Ji can create more sangat but can sangat create a true Guru? then why does a Sangat need Guru who is only 20 visweh? wouldn't sangat need someone who is greater than them? Guru Ji is 20 and a SIkh is 1 so Guru Ji says "O Gursikh merge with me and your one and my 20 will make you 21". This is a way Guru Ji gives Vadeaayee to His Sikhs. Guru Ji is greatest and greater than Sangat. Hope I didn't offend you. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/17/2004 7:20 pm
Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
Of course i am not offended. Your explanation is plausible.
At the time of Bhai Mani Singh Ji's Shahedee, the GURU Ji of the Sikhs is GURU GRANTH SAHIB JEE and the Sangat would have complied with GURBANI as the final arbitrer......by this I mean the sangat KHALSA JI was aware what GURBANI would say to such a "curse" as allegedly the Khalsa Ji made against Bhai mani Singh Ji leading to his execution. The sangat would never have gone against gurbani....and Gurbani never has any curses for anyone.
This sakhi is among many....besides the one about goats at vasakhi 1699 which patently depicts Guru Gobind Singh as a "magician" and "liar" "charalaton" and what not...there is another which says the entire Khalsa panth "decided" on Dasam Granth as "Kirt of Guru GobindSingh" based on the basis of Bhai Sucha Singh returning alive from harimandir with the head of Massa Ranghar. The "bet" was if we FAIL to RETURN alive witht eh head of Massa ranghar..... then the DG is NOT Guru Kirt.... IF we do succeed then DG is Dasam Guru Kirt. Can anything be more ridiculous? another decided the fate of Bandiyee Khalsa and Taat khalsa with two Parchian "floating/sinking" in Harimandir sarovar ?? IF this Sakhi is TRUE...has ANY decision such as this been taken by the Khalsa Ji in Modern Times ??? WHY do away with such a "Easy Method" as Bhai mani Singh throwing pieces of paper to float or sink in the sarovar.... the present Jathedar should also follow this in all his decisions ?? why not ??...another sakhi tells us of A Guru Granth saroop thrown into the river by Guru Teg bahadur Sahib...and coming out dry.....ALL that Vast amount of Literature that GURU Gobind Singh Ji threw into the Swollen Sirsa River in December 1705 disappeared for good !!!...too many sakhis...
NO offense meant to those who beleive...
dass jarnail Singh.
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Singh
Date: 7/17/2004 10:42 pm
1) About Bandayee Khalsa - I have read that Singhs from both sides got together at darbar Sahib and they were ready to fight. Bhai Sahib Ji stopped them and then throwing parchiyan in the sarowar was decided. Bhai Sahib Ji threw parchiyan and both sunk. After a while, Tatt Khalsa's paper started flowing. Some bandayee people joined Tatt Khalsa but others attacked Tatt Khalsa and Bandayee Khalsa lost which ended their cult.
Bhai Sahib chose parchiyan because he was a Naami Gursikh. He had total faith in Guru Ji. Jathedars today have no jeevan whatsoever compared to Bhai Sahib. Today leaders are corrupt and run after money. If they had jeevan like Bhai Sahib why do you think we would be going down these days? Gursikhs with Naam Kamayee can do anything.
2) Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji did not throw the saroop into a river. He gave it to river to keep it until Dhirmalls come to get it. Guru Ji said if they want it, they do ardas and it will come up. Dhirmalls came and did ardaas up to eight Gurus but saroop did not come up. Then they did ardaas up to ninth Guru and it came up. It came up dry because Guru Ji said it would happen after they do ardaas. If this is not true then how did dhirmalls get that saroop?
3) Guru Gobind Singh Ji did throw lot of literature into river sirsa when He left Anandpur Sahib. At that time mughals were attacking from all sides. There were other things important than that literature such as lives of Gursikhs and Guru Ji's family. If Guru Ji did not throw that much literature then where is it now? and what happened to it?
Jarnail Singh you did give too many sakhis but if you wanted to question them then you should've given some explanations and what really happened. Some reasoning will help us learn the truth. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : jagroop singh
Date: 7/18/2004 3:54 am
Vahiguru ji ka khalsa, Vahiguru ji ki fateh!
Veer Singh ji,
You wrote:
'Or is it like your RAAG MALA EXCUSES "someone added it afterwards" no name of a person is known, no date or year and no place. provide details. this story is fake and written only to malign Bhai Sahib's Shaheedi'.
> Dear Veer ji, please bear in mind that this sakhi has not been concocted by any Tapoban Sevadaar. As stated above the post, it has been merely 'translated' by Admin...unless you have any reason to believe that they are liars (i.e. that they have changed the import of the account they claim to have 'translated'), please do calm down and not say such hurtful things.
Veer ji, why so hastily decide to attack these Singhs by trying to infer that they have in some way twisted the story to fit some sort of 'agenda'?
This emanates from Rattan Singh Bhangoo; a 'contemporary' writer so therefore take what you will, but PLEASE do not use this opportunity to needlessly attack Sevadaars who have done nothing except translate.
As for the authenticity of this account, that is a seperate issue and it has already proved interesting reading everyone's thoughts....thanks for sharing Sadh Sangat Jio.
Vahiguru ji ka khalsa, Vahiguru ji ki fateh!
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : kar kirpaa sabh rayN thheevaa
Date: 7/19/2004 2:46 am
Vaaheguroo jee kaa khaalsaa!
Vaaheguroo jee kee fatheh!
guroo dee pyaaree ladlee fauj khalsa saadh sangat jeeo apnay man daa shankaa door karo
aap jee kyo(n) is vaihm vich phasay hoyho kay gurmukhaa(n) valo koee galtheeaa(n) naee hondiaa(n)?
kee aap jee nay sree aasaa dee vaar vich maharaaj sree guroo raam daas jee dee baanee nahee paRee hoee?
satguroo jee phurmaan karday han:
(gurmukhaa dee sift karday hoay)
"jae baahrahu bhul chuk boldae, bhee kharae har bhaaNay"
eis daa mathlab hai kee maharaaj dee rajaae vich, maharaaj day charnaa day sevak, gurmukh pyare saadh janaa valo(n) VEE, kisay vakht koee bhul chuk HO VEE SAKDEE hai.
Koee gurmukh jan valo(n) BHUL ho sakdee hai. Aap jee ayho vee NOTE karo kee Maharaaj nae saano updesh dithaa hai :
"bhulan andar sabh ko abhul guroo kartaar"
Sirf do shaks han jinaa valo(n) koee bhul nahee hondee. Ohu han Kartaar, Akaal Purakh Antarjaamee Vaaheguroo, atay onaa dee jyot daa parthakh pragtaavaa, shabad jyot suroop Sree Guru jee (jo kae dass [10] cholaeaa(n) vich sadee dharthee thay braajman hoay san athay eis vakht Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Maharaaj day suroop vich braajman han).
Uppar vaalae gurbaanee dee pankiti tho(n) asee eis faislay thay paunch sakday haa(n) ki koee vee gurmukh jan, bhagat, sant, sikh valo(n) bhul ho sakdee hai kyo kee BHUL ANDAR SABH KO. Bhul athhvaa mistake athhvaa galthee har eik manukh vich hai, savaae Guroo athay Kartaar.
Pehlee thukh vich maharaaj nay aakhiaa hai ki bhaavay(n) koee Gurmukh, Gursikh, Sajjan valo(n) bhul chuk hovee jaavay, ohnaa daa man HAR VAKHT haree parmeshar day bhaaNay, hukam, rajaae vich chalan day udham hee kardaa raindaa hai. Ohnaa day jeevan daa manorathh ayhee hondaa hai ki ohu apnay haree parmeshar dee rajaae vich chal sakkan.
Kee aap jee noo Dhan Dhan Bhai Mani Singh jee dee Sikhee vich vishvaash naee hai?
Okay it's hard for me to speak more transliterated Punjabi without losing my focus - please forgive me ...
Even if Dhan Dhan Bhai Mani Singh jee shaheed had made a mistake in his life of trying to make a new suroop of Guru Granth Sahib jee reorganized according to author, and even if this was not approved by the sangat - and some innocent Sikh said something to Bhai Sahib that later proved the cause of his shaheedee - does this take anything away from Dhan Dhan Bhai Mani Singh jee?
Are you forgetting that this is the same Dhan Dhan Bhai Mani Singh jee to whom our sachay paatshaah Dhan Dhan Shaahay shahan shaah Gur Gobind Singh verbally recited the whole of the Guru Granth Sahib, upon which our beloved Dhan Dhan Bhai Mani Singh Jee scribed it with his own hand?
Do you REALIZE what magnitude of greatness there is in such an unbelievable seva?
We get happy when we can give water to Gurmukhs.
Clean their shoes? Even better.
Let them stay at our house! Wow, what a bliss.
How about doing sangat with the Guru themself? AMAZING - beyond words.
How about with your own hand scribing the first official suroop of the full and final Guru of all the ages?!?!?!
This seva is MAHAAAAAAANNN !!!!!!!!!!
And this was awarded to dhan Dhan Bhai Sahib Bhai Mani Singh jee.
So Bhai Sahib made a mistake, perhaps, does this take the mahaanthaa of that seva away from him?
Does it make him any less of a Sikh?
The first pankiti - read it - read it again. BHEE KHARAY HAR BHAANAY.
Even if they make a mistake, don't lose hope in them. They are still pleasing to God.
There are stories of Bhai Gurdas jee making mistakes too.
Did our own Guru Har Rai jee not accidentally kill a rose with his long chola as a child? It was an ACCIDENT - but did he mean it? NO!
Guru Arjan Dev jee's wife Mata jee did not properly request a child from Baba Budhaa jee with humility - she was innocently misguided, but she learned the right way and did the right thing afterwards.
Why didn't Baba Buddhaa jee get Gurgadhee or Bhai Mardana, but Bhai Lehna did? Whomever REALLY deserved it, got it - but was Baba Buddhaa jee any less Sikh or Bhai Mardana? No way.
The chaalee muktay deserted their own Guru, then they died for him and became liberated. Who gave them liberation? The same Guru they had deserted. In the end it was all a play of Guru jee. Will anybody dare to speak badly of my brothers the fourty liberated ones NOW? Not a chance.
When a Gursikh comes under the charan sharan of the Satguru, aaaaaaalllllll of their past mistakes are washed away if the Satguru wishes.
Somebody posted that the whole "mistake / curse" theory takes the blame off the Moghuls.
Are not the moghuls too little peices in this JAGAT TAMAASHAA?
Sain Mian Mir was furious when he saw the torture being done to Guru Arjan Dev. He even volunteered to Guru jee to destroy all of Delhi with his might such that nobody would dare raise a finger against the Guru. The Guru knew it was all happening in hukam and also said this to the witnesses of his shaheedee. If it was in hukam does the blame come off of the Moghuls?
There is a micro justice and a macro justice. In the micro scheme it was the Moghuls fault and since we live in the micro world we can and should think of it this way. But in the macro scheme it was all VAHEGURU, and the Gurmukhs who live in the micro while having macro thinking can think of it this way.
Sometimes mistakes are in hukam too. Sometimes curses are in hukam too.
This doesn't take a single thing away from my beloved brother, a true role model and a true human being, Amar Khalsa Shaheed Bhai Sahib Bhai Mani Singh jee.
Today's hukamnama from Sri Darbar Sahib ended with this line:
"This is the faith which inspires Nanak: the self-willed manmukhs will fail, while the Gurmukhs will always win."
NO matter what happened to cause Bhai Sahib's shaheedee - he never did any action with a negative intent.
He always had a pure heart and pure way of life, and because of that he is always remembered as an oustanding and courageous individual, a true example of an Amar Khalsa Shaheed.
please forgive my mistakes.
stop the arguing ((( ; - )
Vaaheguroo jee kaa khaalsaa
Vaaheguroo jee kee fatheh!
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/19/2004 7:08 pm
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
"stop the arguing"
IMHO no one is "arguing"... at least I am not.
Admin has done its job of translating this Historical account of a mahaan shaheedee of the panth..... ad we have all put our own observations down on paper...some may be wrong, some right.....some more wrong and some more right than others...BUT the important thing is we are all learning ( if we let ourselves learn ).
No man is an island is a famous proverb..... alone we are all totally incapable of learning....its peer expressions like this that lead to learning. We all make mistakes...Only Waheguru/Guru doesnt. Sometimes I realise my mistake all by myself.....soemtimes it takes some one else to point it out to me...whatever method it takes...I am the FINAL WINNER because I am wiser and more appreciative of Guru Ji's Kirpa...... so let the PENS ROLL...ultimately it is GURU JI's HAND behind every PEN on this Forum.
Dass jarnail Singh
Re: Eye-Witness Account of Shahidi of Bhai Manee Singh Jee
Posted by : kar kirpaa sabh rayN thheevaa
Date: 7/19/2004 11:31 pm
sat bachan
((( : - D
