1. Does the true lareevaar saroop of mahraj contain double line full stops and paragraph numbers? Pictures that claim to show lareevaar images shown on this forum previously show full stops and paragraph numbers.
(but these don't seem too legitimate to daas because then panth wouldn't have debates of where first pauri of japji sahib ends,and daas had the impression that the reader chose where to separate words in own mind when reading lareevaar bani).

2. Some gutkay (e.g. DTF published gutkay) do not show any foot bindi's on letters from dasam granth bani in e.g. Jaap Sahib whereas others and online sources do show these foot bindi's. Some people have said that the british altered some of the dasam granth bani and added foot bindi's (though seems unlikely).
**Therefore are gutkay printers themselves altering bani?

**So does true dasam granth have foot bindi's?

**And where can legitimate versions of bani (lareevaar or if not then panched) (online or paperback) be obtained from?

4. Also a singh once said that Ik oankaar satGURPRASAAD is shortened form of mool mantar and that in lareevaar saroop the whole mool mantar is written before and to be recited before doing each different paat of guru granth sahib bani.
Is this true?

5. When reading lareevaar when you continue to the next line below then could those separate line words still be one word or is it an actual separate word that guru ji has stated to be separate? Therefore could last word on line be joint to next word on next consequetive line (below it).

The reason why these subtle questions are being asked is because daas wants to read lareevaar bani but cannot obtain lareevaar gutkay and so has decided to manually join together panched bani into lareevaar bani, and so needs to be sure of the answers to the above questions before doing so.

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!!!!

1) Old handwritten saroops actually have only single dandees (fullstops) in the end. So how do they seem two? Because in old handwritten saroops, there is a dandee in the beginning and the end of each pankiti. The whole pankiti is written in two dandees - one in the beginning and one in the end and these dandees were joined with the pankitis. The printed saroops started just placing two dandees in the end.

2) I think in handwritten Dasam baani, there are no bindis in the foot of alphabets.

4) Yes, Ikoankaargurprasaad is the shortened roop of main Manglacharan and it should always be read before mahalla & Raag and never after. Manglacharan is not part of any Raag, so it should never be read after Raag.



Kulbir Singh

Thank You for response!!!!!!!

""4) Yes, Ikoankaargurprasaad is the shortened roop of main Manglacharan and it should always be read before mahalla & Raag and never after. Manglacharan is not part of any Raag, so it should never be read after Raag.""


Q).A.) Does this apply when reading Rehraas. E.g. when "aasaa mahalla pehla" appears and then "Sun vadda aakhay sab kohe, kevad vadda ditha hohe" and "aasaa mahalla pehla" "Aakha jeeva visaray mar jaho, aakhan ookha saacha naho"? So must mool mantar also be read then each time after "aasaa mahalla pehla"? Or does it only apply if "Raag" and "Aasaa" appear together consequetively?

Q).B). Also, just noticed that some gutkay are missing ADHIK's from some words and others are not for words such as NAMASTUST when it appears in Jaap Sahib quite often. The adhik above the first "tatta" (T) is missed on some gutkay and online sources, but always appears above the second "tatta" (T).

**Which one is correct?
**Is is the online panched version of Mahraj gramatically fully correct which is found on "www.sikhnet.com"?

A. But how can you read manglacharan there if it's not written? What I meant was that if Raag plus mahalla and Manglacharan appear together, then the manglacharan should be read first. Many old saroops have mangals always in advance.

B. Gurbani does not use adhaks but when doing paath, adhaks come out naturally.

Kulbir Singh

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Veer/Bhain 'silahiwala' Jee,

If you are based in the UK then Lareevar Gurbanee Potheea(n) are available. Pls see thread entitled "UK Lareevaar Resources Ready".

If you are in India then you should be able to purchase Potheea(n)/Senchiyaa(n) reasonably easily...

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